RE: approval

Agreed, in our team there was a born blind, and someone who is officially
blind but still has a remainder of sight. 
The learning curve is different, the born blind woman is so used to high
speed text-to-speech, that we hardly could follow her:) And she has an
incredible "visual" memory, as hobby she plays in 3D worlds with a text-only
client.  

Maybe it's equivalent to the difference in learning curve between kids and
adults.

Carla



-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: accessys@smart.net [mailto:accessys@smart.net] 
Verzonden: woensdag 22 februari 2012 15:29
Aan: Cain, Sally
CC: G F Mueden; Marc Haunschild; w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
Onderwerp: RE: approval


also I think there is a big difference based on when they became blind.
those born blind think and functiion differently than those who became 
blind later in life.  and I guess that "later" in life is a very loose 
sliding scale.  sometimes the later one becomes blind the harder it is to 
use adaptive equipment (nothing is absolute)

Bob

On Wed, 22 Feb 2012, Cain, Sally wrote:

> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 13:23:51 -0000
> From: "Cain, Sally" <sally.cain@rnib.org.uk>
> To: G F Mueden <gfmueden@verizon.net>, Marc Haunschild <mh@zadi.de>,
>     w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
> Subject: RE: approval
> Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 13:24:52 +0000
> Resent-From: w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
> 
> Dear George,
>
> I would just like to comment on your statement "all the blind are
> equally blind". I think it is important to note that this is not the
> case. Someone who considers themselves blind may have light perception.
> They may also have a tiny amount of vision, even if it may not be very
> useful. I think it is important to recognise that every single persons
> vision is different, even those people who have the same eye condition,
> so we can make no assumptions about what someone can or cannot see.
>
> I hope this is helpful.
>
> Thanks
> Sally
> Digital Accessibility Development Officer
> Royal National Institute for Blind People (RNIB)
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: G F Mueden [mailto:gfmueden@verizon.net]
> Sent: 22 February 2012 12:56
> To: Marc Haunschild; w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
> Subject: Re: approval
>
> Marc, please amend your category list  to point out the vast difference
> between those who don't see and those who don't see well; their needs
> are
> quite different and what helps one group is often of no help to the
> other.
> Further, while all the blind are equally blind, there is variety in the
> needs of those who still read with their eyes but not well.
> Typically they suffer from (1) poor acuity (sharpness of focus) and (2)
> poor
> contrast sensitivity (ability to distinguish between shades of colors or
>
> grays).  A third difficulty is small field size, not so prevalent but
> important.
>
> The fix for #! is generally only half known.  Everybody knows about
> magnification.  The other part is the need for word wrap to keep copy on
> the
> screen.   Without it every line must be chased to its end, scrolling
> right
> and then left for the start of the next line.
> The fix for #2 is not magnification (often suggested), but is choice of
> font
> for incoming text.  Poor contrast sensitivity calls for thicker strokes
> in
> the lines that make the characters, so the use of bold fonts is the fix.
>
> User's software can provide them, but formatting can prevent their use.
> Magnification help only a little.  A bigger faint character is still
> faint.
>
> Enough.  To learn more, "Accessibility for Eye Readers". 12k and
> growing, is
> available as an email attachment from gfmueden@verizon.net
> Commentts welcome.
>
> George   ===gm===
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Marc Haunschild" <mh@zadi.de>
> To: <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 1:06 AM
> Subject: Re: approval
>
>
> | Hi Meliha,
> |
> | Simple question, simple answer. There are four categories of problems,
> | people might have using a website
> |
> | vision
> | hearing
> | movement
> | cognition
> |
> | can be less than average or (partially) non-existent (like the ability
> | to see colors or to see with just one eye).
> |
> | Some things, which can be a challenge in real life, do not influence
> the
> | usage of a website a lot: like sitting in a wheel chair.
> |
> | I think this is clear. So just try to understand what needs have
> people
> | which cannot see. Can they use your site? How? It is quite easy to
> | support them: they use screenreaders, programs that read your content.
> | You have to provide ALL the content as text (also what is on your
> | pictures). Now disable your css and look at your pages: everything
> | should be linearly ordered in just one dimension: from top to bottom.
> | Make sure, that the content is provided in the correct order: does it
> | still make sense? Or do you use phrases like:  on the left you see...
> -
> | which is nonsense now, because there is no left or right ;-)
> |
> | Try this with other disabilties. What is a problem for people that
> | cannot move very good: if they cannot put there arms way up in the
> air,
> | its propably no problem to use a mouse and keyboard, but if they have
> a
> | tremor, its very difficult for them to klick on tiny buttons and
> icons.
> |
> | With this approach you can find out a lot about your own site. If you
> | like exoeriments: Just try to use your page with your feet instead of
> | hands, wear glasses for watching 3d-movies (these with green and red
> | "glass")
> |
> | And further just use your imagination.
> |
> | One thing which is difficult to understand: people whonever were able
> to
> | hear, normally do not speak even the language of there own country.
> They
> | use gestures for communication. So they cannot read your texts - at
> | least only with big difficulties. So try to keep your sentences short,
> | remain essentially, just write, like everybody should write anyway:
> | there are a lot of descriptions/tutorials out there in the web, How to
> | write texts.
> |
> | You will see - all of this improvements will help everybody to use
> your
> | site - like already saif here: accessibility ist usability for
> everybody.
> |
> | Good luck with your site!
> |
> | Am 20.02.2012 10:59, schrieb Meliha Yenilmez:
> | > Hi Everone,
> | >
> | > I have two questions.
> | >
> | > First one, I want to learn our web site is accessible or not? How
> can
> | > our web site approval for accessbile or no?
> | >
> | > And second one, if our web page/pages is accessible,  who can give
> | > conformance logo/s?
> | >
> | > Thanks for all,
> | >
> | > *Meliha Yenilmez*
> |
> | Marc
> |
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