(unknown charset) RE: approval

right it is not like steps but more like a hill which has slopes in many 
directions.  the best solution if possible is one that allows a sliding 
scale of adjustment in as many different directions as possible.

Bob


On Wed, 22 Feb 2012, Jonathan Avila wrote:

> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 09:23:26 -0500
> From: Jonathan Avila <jon.avila@ssbbartgroup.com>
> To: w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
> Subject: RE: approval
> Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 14:24:00 +0000
> Resent-From: w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
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> RE: approval
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> Ø  We are listing right now which are the most important criteria for
> impaired vision.
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> Yes, and don’t forget about people with multiple disabilities that may use
> multiple modes of interaction such as deaf and blind.
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> Jonathan
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> *From:* Carla De Winter [mailto:carla@accesscapable.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 22, 2012 9:13 AM
> *To:* 'Jim Tobias'; w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
> *Subject:* RE: approval
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> Maybe set up a list of personas?
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> We are listing right now which are the most important criteria for impaired
> vision.
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> May I remark that visual processing is also part of this, some people have
> a perfect sight but still use the same techniques. I have been one of them.
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> Best regards,
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> Carla De Winter
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> AccessCapable
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> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> Van: Jim Tobias [mailto:tobias@inclusive.com <tobias@inclusive.com>]
> Verzonden: woensdag 22 februari 2012 15:01
> Aan: 'Cain, Sally'; 'G F Mueden'; 'Marc Haunschild'; w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
> Onderwerp: RE: approval
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> Thanks Sally and all.
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> I think we would agree that there are gradations of vision loss across
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> several dimensions. More to the point, there's a continuum of accommodations
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> and techniques that people use for reading, from "only screen
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> magnification/contrast" to "only screen reading", with at least some people
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> using both at the same time. And of course the settings for these 2
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> modalities also vary, both by person and by situation, such as the specific
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> task they are performing at the moment, their expectations of comfort,
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> productivity, accuracy, etc.
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> To me, one big problem we face is that we don't know how many people are in
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> each slot along these continua. How do we justify this or that
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> recommendation if we don't know how many people it will benefit, or how many
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> people would be left behind?
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> (Of course, there's an even bigger problem lurking behind this one that pops
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> out whenever we think about numbers: why are so many people using nothing?
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> There's no evidence than more than a tiny fraction of potential users with
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> disabilities are taking advantage of the mainstream and AT accessibility
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> features and products out there.)
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> ***
>
> Jim Tobias
>
> Inclusive Technologies
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>> -----Original Message-----
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>> From: Cain, Sally [mailto:sally.cain@rnib.org.uk <sally.cain@rnib.org.uk>]
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>> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 8:24 AM
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>> To: G F Mueden; Marc Haunschild; w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
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>> Subject: RE: approval
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>> Dear George,
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>> I would just like to comment on your statement "all the blind are
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>> equally blind". I think it is important to note that this is not the
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>> case. Someone who considers themselves blind may have light perception.
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>> They may also have a tiny amount of vision, even if it may not be very
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>> useful. I think it is important to recognise that every single persons
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>> vision is different, even those people who have the same eye condition,
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>> so we can make no assumptions about what someone can or cannot see.
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>> I hope this is helpful.
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>> Thanks
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>> Sally
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>> Digital Accessibility Development Officer
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>> Royal National Institute for Blind People (RNIB)
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>> -----Original Message-----
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>> From: G F Mueden [mailto:gfmueden@verizon.net <gfmueden@verizon.net>]
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>> Sent: 22 February 2012 12:56
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>> To: Marc Haunschild; w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
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>> Subject: Re: approval
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>> Marc, please amend your category list  to point out the vast difference
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>> between those who don't see and those who don't see well; their needs
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>> quite different and what helps one group is often of no help to the
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>> other.
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>> Further, while all the blind are equally blind, there is variety in the
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>> needs of those who still read with their eyes but not well.
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>> Typically they suffer from (1) poor acuity (sharpness of focus) and (2)
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>> poor
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>> contrast sensitivity (ability to distinguish between shades of colors or
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>> grays).  A third difficulty is small field size, not so prevalent but
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>> The fix for #! is generally only half known.  Everybody knows about
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>> magnification.  The other part is the need for word wrap to keep copy on
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>> screen.   Without it every line must be chased to its end, scrolling
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>> The fix for #2 is not magnification (often suggested), but is choice of
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>> font
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>> for incoming text.  Poor contrast sensitivity calls for thicker strokes
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>> the lines that make the characters, so the use of bold fonts is the fix.
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>> User's software can provide them, but formatting can prevent their use.
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>> Magnification help only a little.  A bigger faint character is still
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>> Enough.  To learn more, "Accessibility for Eye Readers". 12k and
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>> available as an email attachment from gfmueden@verizon.net
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>> Commentts welcome.
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>> ----- Original Message -----
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>> From: "Marc Haunschild" <mh@zadi.de>
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>> To: <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
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>> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 1:06 AM
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>> Subject: Re: approval
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>> | Hi Meliha,
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>> | Simple question, simple answer. There are four categories of problems,
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>> | people might have using a website
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>> | vision
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>> | hearing
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>> | movement
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>> | cognition
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>> | can be less than average or (partially) non-existent (like the ability
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>> | to see colors or to see with just one eye).
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>> | Some things, which can be a challenge in real life, do not influence
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>> | usage of a website a lot: like sitting in a wheel chair.
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>> | I think this is clear. So just try to understand what needs have
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>> people
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>> | which cannot see. Can they use your site? How? It is quite easy to
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>> | support them: they use screenreaders, programs that read your content.
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>> | You have to provide ALL the content as text (also what is on your
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>> | pictures). Now disable your css and look at your pages: everything
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>> | should be linearly ordered in just one dimension: from top to bottom.
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>> | Make sure, that the content is provided in the correct order: does it
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>> | still make sense? Or do you use phrases like:  on the left you see...
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>> | which is nonsense now, because there is no left or right ;-)
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>> | Try this with other disabilties. What is a problem for people that
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>> | cannot move very good: if they cannot put there arms way up in the
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>> air,
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>> | its propably no problem to use a mouse and keyboard, but if they have
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>> | tremor, its very difficult for them to klick on tiny buttons and
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>> icons.
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>> | With this approach you can find out a lot about your own site. If you
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>> | like exoeriments: Just try to use your page with your feet instead of
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>> | hands, wear glasses for watching 3d-movies (these with green and red
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>> | "glass")
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>> | And further just use your imagination.
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>> | One thing which is difficult to understand: people whonever were able
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>> to
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>> | hear, normally do not speak even the language of there own country.
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>> They
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>> | use gestures for communication. So they cannot read your texts - at
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>> | least only with big difficulties. So try to keep your sentences short,
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>> | remain essentially, just write, like everybody should write anyway:
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>> | there are a lot of descriptions/tutorials out there in the web, How to
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>> | write texts.
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>> | You will see - all of this improvements will help everybody to use
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>> your
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>> | site - like already saif here: accessibility ist usability for
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>> everybody.
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>> | Good luck with your site!
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>> | Am 20.02.2012 10:59, schrieb Meliha Yenilmez:
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>> | > Hi Everone,
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>> | >
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>> | > I have two questions.
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>> | > First one, I want to learn our web site is accessible or not? How
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>> can
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>> | > our web site approval for accessbile or no?
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>> | > And second one, if our web page/pages is accessible,  who can give
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>> | > conformance logo/s?
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>> | > Thanks for all,
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>> | > *Meliha Yenilmez*
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>> | Marc
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