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AW: Using Heading to Replace Skip Links

From: Batusic, Mario <mario.batusic@fabasoft.com>
Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 08:46:43 +0000
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Hi!

IMHO: A proper structuring and ARIA landmarks are very important and at the time they work for SR users. But we need still interim solutions for keyboard-only users relying on screen: people with low vision or mobility problems. As long as mainstream browsers do not support headings/landmarks navigation, there is a need for skip links or a jump menu on the beginning of the page. And these tools should not be absolutely hidden. The minimum requirement should be "show on focus", the best idea an additional skip link toolbar on top of the page.
Ciao     Mario

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Von: Vivienne CONWAY [mailto:v.conway@ecu.edu.au] 
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 09. Mai 2012 10:24
An: Charles McCathieNevile; w3c-wai-ig@w3.org; Kazuhito Kidachi
Betreff: RE: Using Heading to Replace Skip Links

Hi Chaals, and group,

So if  I was doing a WCAG 2.0 compliance check to AA, if there were headers and they were sufficient to enable the user to skip repeated navigational elements, would you say it passes 2.4.1.?  Now, what if there are some headings, but they don't really describe the content well (should fail 1.3.1. in that case also), would I be correct in failing 2.4.6.?

The reason I ask all of this, is that some of the automated tools pick up the lack of  skip links as failures of 2.4.6. and others don't, especially if there are semantically structured headings (h1 etc).

Frankly, I think it should be a requirement as we're wanting to make things better for people to get to the content, not more difficult.  However, that probably comes down to usability.


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From: Charles McCathieNevile [chaals@opera.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 9 May 2012 3:33 PM
To: w3c-wai-ig@w3.org; Kazuhito Kidachi
Subject: Re: Using Heading to Replace Skip Links

On Wed, 09 May 2012 03:57:24 +0200, Kazuhito Kidachi <kazuhito@gmail.com>
wrote:

> On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 10:29 AM, Patrick H. Lauke 
> <redux@splintered.co.uk> wrote:
>> On 09/05/2012 02:08, Kazuhito Kidachi wrote:
>> On the other hand, users that DO rely on keyboard-only navigation 
>> should also be using tools that make it easier for them to do so.
...
>> I believe the important part is that it's 
>> technically/programmatically possible for users to navigate the 
>> structure of a page in a sensible and easy manner. Not all 
>> browsers/tools/AT will be able to, but as long as there's at least 
>> one tool that does support sensible navigation in this fashion, I'd argue that the SC is satisfied. IMHO of course.
>
> Well, do you think web pages with proper headings/landmarks can comply 
> with 2.4.1, without providing skip links, because keyboard-only users 
> can choose Opera browser (or, Firefox with Heading Navigation 
> Greasemonkey User Script)?

Yes, although I suggest today that this is a pretty legalistic interpretation. It is *still* a good ide to put in skip links :S

Although it might be worth knowing that skip links were introduced as a hack authors made because screen readers *didn't* permit header-by-header navigation when WCAG1 was being developed and deployed.

It's not hard to make the script for other browsers, I suspect. I'll see if I can get Daniel Glazman's script that provides a complete navigation frame, which would be even better.

cheers

Chaals

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