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Re: Accessible content management system

From: Phil Evans <pae9@star.le.ac.uk>
Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2011 07:52:17 +0100
Message-ID: <4E3A41A1.8040101@star.le.ac.uk>
To: flybynight <isforums@manx.net>
Cc: 'Terry Dean' <Terry.Dean@chariot.net.au>, w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
Hi all,

Just a very small contribution, as I don't use CMS at all:

> As does Plone which also looks very good.

Is this true? I have not used Plone from the developer point of view, 
but a website which I visit regularly uses Plone. If I feed pages frmo 
that website to the W3C HTML validator they fail -- only a couple of 
relatively minor errors, but nonetheless I (naively?) would hope that a 
CMS which aspires to serve accessible content will at least provide 
valid content.

As a side issue, which you're probably all aware of, no CMS could ever 
guarantee accessibilty on its own. For example, a (plone-based) site I 
have used chose red on green as its colour scheme; ignoring that fact 
that red/green colour-blindness (very common) would render the page 


> Typo3 would seem to be quite usable apparently although I haven't spent any
> time looking into this at this stage.
> However, you may well want to take a look at contao: http://www.contao.org
> Which looks very good from my initial view.
> I haven't validated it yet but it seemed very usable with only the keyboard
> and has a nice clean and simple interface, while still having all the
> features you'd expect to see in a leading CMS. It even has a load of
> shortcut keys that are described in the main admin screen. You can try the
> online demo from their home page.
> I'd be interested to hear what you and others think?
> Incidentally, have you looked at DNN recently? I'm guessing it hasn't got
> any better but I do know they were keen on conformance with W3C guidelines,
> although which ones I'm not exactly sure.
> Cheers
> Ian
> -----Original Message-----
> From: w3c-wai-ig-request@w3.org [mailto:w3c-wai-ig-request@w3.org] On Behalf
> Of Terry Dean
> Sent: 03 August 2011 21:14
> To: w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
> Subject: Re: Accessible content management system
> Hi Ian,
> If you do find one that conforms to the W3C Web Accessibility guidelines
> please let me know. Its one thing to claim that a CMS is compliant and
> another to actually be accessible.
> You only need to run a few accessibility tools over these CMSs to find that
> they are generally full of problems.
> I dont claim to have the answers and I do not build these systems but I can
> understand how difficult they must be to make compliant. I remember trying
> to modify DotNetNuke in 2000 in order to validate it to XHTML Strict 1.0 and
> gave up in the end.
> regards,
> Terry
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ian Sharpe"<isforums@manx.net>
> To: "'Terry Dean'"<Terry.Dean@chariot.net.au>;<w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 6:32 PM
> Subject: RE: Accessible content management system
>> Hi Terry
>> While I understand where you're coming from and based on the feedback I've
>> received so far, would accept your belief that at this time, such a
>> solution
>> does not exist, I would challenge your statement that this is not a
>> serious
>> question.
>> Much of the web these days is generated through CMSs and this is only
>> going
>> to increase over time. One of the founding principals of the web for me at
>> least is giving everyone the opportunity to have their say and hear what
>> everyone else is saying. It follows that if members of the disabled or
>> less
>> technically competant communities are unable to voice their opinions and
>> thoughts as easily as those without any barriers to access and author
>> content (particularly when it's in relation to accessing and authoring
>> content), this voice will become quieter when it should be getting louder.
>> Ensuring that there is at least one accessible and feature rich CMS would
>> therefore seem vital in terms of the web's accessibility to me.
>> It is therefore a very serious question and while there doesn't appear to
>> currently be a single solution, I hope that you are at least encouraged,
>> even if only a little, by the comments others have made.
>> Cheers
>> ian


Phil Evans,
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University of Leicester

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