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Re: ARIA & test automation?

From: <accessys@smart.net>
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 10:30:39 -0400 (EDT)
To: Katherine Mancuso <kmancuso@gmail.com>
cc: w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.60.1010141029110.19123@cygnus.smart.net>

sorry I totally misread the meaning of the sentence, (needs to be 
clarified) and agree 25% is about as good as most automated testing does 
at this time,, problem is that many think that if they pass the "Test" 
then they are accessible and claim as such.

Bob



On Thu, 14 Oct 2010, Katherine Mancuso wrote:

> Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 00:57:38 -0700
> From: Katherine Mancuso <kmancuso@gmail.com>
> To: accessys@smart.net
> Cc: w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
> Subject: Re: ARIA & test automation?
> 
> I clearly need to clarify.  As I understand it, this sentence (which is a
> direct quote from the WAI-ARIA Primer) means that ARIA can be of benefit to
> non-accessibility focused automation professionals writing scripts to do QA
> testing on dynamic content in test automation suites (e.g. Selenium Grid)
> for general web QA.  I don't think this has anything to do with automated
> accessibility testing at all.
>
> In any case, testing suites for accessibility do exist and can be deployed
> in automated testing suites. They handle about 25% of accessibility issues
> (manual testing is still required).
>
>
> Katherine
>
> On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 7:08 PM, <accessys@smart.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> I cannot imagine any automated testing for access at the current or near
>> future state of the art that would work reliably even a reasonably
>> percentage of the time.
>>
>> too many variables
>>
>> a system that works on Jaws and Windows would probably choke on eMACspeak
>> on Linux.
>>
>> how many different screen readers are there? dozens at least. and that is
>> just text to speech. add in all the other issues
>>
>> Bob
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 13 Oct 2010, Katherine Mancuso wrote:
>>
>>  Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 13:57:46 -0700
>>> From: Katherine Mancuso <kmancuso@gmail.com>
>>> To: w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
>>> Subject: ARIA & test automation?
>>> Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 20:58:38 +0000
>>> Resent-From: w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi everyone,
>>>
>>> I see this sentence in the WAI-ARIA Primer:
>>>
>>> "Implementing WAI-ARIA can facilitate test automation. Test engines
>>> require
>>> semantic information about user interface elements, unique names, exposure
>>> of state, specific properties in order to run automated test scripts.
>>> WAI-ARIA provides that semantic information needed for efficient test
>>> automation."
>>>
>>> Does anyone have further information & references related to this
>>> statement,
>>> know anyone who is actually using ARIA to benefit their automation
>>> process,
>>> or people to contact about it?
>>>
>>> Katherine
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>
>
> --
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Katherine Mancuso: crusader of community art, social technology, &
> disability
>
> Current work:
> Walt Disney Imagineering & Parks and Resorts Online, Intern (work:
> accessibility evangelism & interactive projects)
>
> Research:
> Center for Assistive Technology & Environmental Access (http://www.catea.org
> )
> Georgia Tech, Digital Media (http://dm.gatech.edu)
>
> Community:
> The Vesuvius Group: metaverse community builders (
> http://www.thevesuviusgroup.com)
> Gimp Girl Community Liaison/Research Fellow (http://www.gimpgirl.com)
> Alternate ROOTS: arts*community*activism (http://www.alternateroots.org)
>
> Contact in the web, the metaverse, the world:
> http://twitter.com/musingvirtual
> http://muse.dreamwidth.org
> http://www.linkedin.com/in/kathymancuso
> SL: Muse Carmona
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>
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