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Re: 2.4.4 Sample

From: Charles McCathieNevile <chaals@opera.com>
Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 10:04:24 -0400
To: "Chris Reeve" <chrisreeve15@yahoo.com>, "David Dorward" <david@dorward.me.uk>, "Phill Jenkins" <pjenkins@us.ibm.com>, "Patrick H. Lauke" <redux@splintered.co.uk>, "David Woolley" <forums@david-woolley.me.uk>, Richard_Userite <richard@userite.com>
Cc: w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
Message-ID: <op.ux8upmzhwxe0ny@widsith.local>
On Thu, 06 Aug 2009 07:40:56 -0400, Chris Reeve <chrisreeve15@yahoo.com>  
wrote:

> Can somebody make a recommendation to WCAG 2 that it should be the  
> responsibility of the developer's site that maintains downlodable file,  
> or one of the two sites (my site or the developers site)?

Until about a year ago, you could have made the suggestion, and it would  
have been reviewed by the WCAG 2 group. WCAG 2 is now completed, but if  
you think there is a need for some further erratum or some input for a  
version 3 you can suggest it to them... (See the "Status of this Document"  
section at the top for how to provide feedback).

cheers

Chaals

> --- On Thu, 8/6/09, Richard_Userite <richard@userite.com> wrote:
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> From: Richard_Userite <richard@userite.com>
> Subject: Re: 2.4.4 Sample
> To: "Chris Reeve" <chrisreeve15@yahoo.com>, "David Dorward"  
> <david@dorward.me.uk>, "Phill Jenkins" <pjenkins@us.ibm.com>, "Patrick  
> H. Lauke" <redux@splintered.co.uk>, "David Woolley"  
> <forums@david-woolley.me.uk>
> Cc: w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
> Date: Thursday, August 6, 2009, 9:24 AM
>
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> Hi Chris.
>  Now that we know what you are trying to do the answer to your question  
> is straightforward.
>  ANSWER - You are responsible for the accessibility of your site,  
> therefore you are responsible for the quality of the link text on your  
> website. You must make sure that the purpose of any link (ie what  
> happens when the user selects the link) is clear to users. Exactly how  
> you do that is up to you and will depend upon different things for  
> diferent situations. There is no "magic bullet". WCAG suggests some  
> techniques that might help (they are suggestions) but in the end you  
> have to apply your knowledge of your target audience, look at the link  
> text and say to yourself - "does this make it clear what will happen  
> when the link is selected". Thus you are responsible for the quality of  
> the link on your site that goes - to - the IRS website, but only the IRS  
> is responsible for the quality of the links - on - that site.
>  I hope that this now concludes this topic.
>  Richard.
>  PS. I am happy to help, but only if requests come via the mail list.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Chris Reeve
> To: David Dorward ; Phill Jenkins ; Patrick H. Lauke ; Richard_Userite ;  
> David Woolley
> Cc: w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
> Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 8:24 AM
> Subject: 2.4.4 Sample
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> Scenario A:
>  If I had a link to  
> http://www.illinois.gov/gov/intopportunities.htm#dunn and my link title  
> was "State of Illonis - Pat Quinn, Governor". they already complied with  
> 2.4.4 for the requirement for downlodable material.
>  If I provide a link to this page who is responsible for 2.4.4?
>   
> 1) Both ends (State of Illonis, IRS, and me)
> 2) The site that maintains the documents (State of Illonis and
> the IRS, but not me)
> 3) At least one of the two sites (either my site or the end site)
>  Secnario B: Please take a look at http://www.irs.gov/
> None of their tax-foms comply with 2.4.4
>  If I provide a link to the tax form, who is responsible for 2.4.4?
>  1) Both ends (State of Illonis,  and IRS, but not me)
> 2) The site that maintains the documents (State of Illonis, and IRS, but  
> not me)
> 3) At least one of the two sites (either my site or the end site)
>  Additionally, there are no downloable documents on my server. How does  
> this change things?
>  I never linked to the PDF, but only to the page that provides the PDF  
> (e.g. Pat Quinn's page provides a PDF to a 1 MB file and another  
> document that is 50 KB)
>  This way readers can see what they are downloading and how much time it  
> might take, based on the size.
>  Also, Google has a way of translating documents into text or html.
>  Because of the pressure of 2.4.4 to describe it, I have changed my  
> destination link to some html/text versions.
>  What difference does this make?
>     
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