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Re: Layout Tables vs. Style Sheets

From: Harry Loots <harry.loots@ieee.org>
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 16:06:23 +0100
To: w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
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Jim

from your point of view... 

what about nested tables? 


Kind regards
Harry

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---------- Original Message -----------
From: james.homme@highmark.com
To: w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
Sent: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 10:52:16 -0400
Subject: Re: Layout Tables vs. Style Sheets

> Hi,
> >From my point of view as a totally blind user, not speaking for any other
> totally blind user, I don't care if you use layout tables unless 
> either my screen reader detects them or you use the summary 
> attribute on them and tell me that they are layout tables. What I'm 
> not absolutely sure of is this. If you use layout tables, I would 
> think that if you use percentages in your width and height values, 
> you will help people with low vision who need to make the text 
> bigger. I'm not sure what would happen to the layout if they tried 
> to enlarge the text too big to fit into the table cells. You would 
> also need to use font measure units that are not absolute. As a 
> developer, I would want to be able to use CSS for layout because it means
> less work for me if I have to change the layout.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Jim
> James D Homme, Usability Engineering, Highmark Inc.,
> james.homme@highmark.com, 412-544-1810
> 
> "The difference between those who get what they wish for and those 
> who don't is action. Therefore, every action you take is a complete 
> success,regardless of the results." -- Jerrold Mundis Highmark 
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> 
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> > I was wondering if anyone could share their insight with regard to layout
> > tables and accessibility,
> 
> Layout tables do not necessarily (!) mean accessibility problems,
>  they rather
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> * mean markup used the wrong way (referring to semantics),
> * impose specific maintenance problems, and
> * impair performance (as yet more appropriate alternatives usually 
> use less characters).
> 
> --
> Jens Meiert
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