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RE: Accessibility tests of Australian University homepages

From: Cormac <cormaco@customerrespect.com>
Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 12:03:55 +0100
To: "'Tim'" <dogstar27@optushome.com.au>
Cc: <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
Message-ID: <000001c79229$c070c980$0601a8c0@cr2>

It isnít the most accessible site ever.
Definitely not.
You have many many accessibility features (tab-index, skip nav links,
alt tages and the colors you used passed color contrast tests when I did
them) so it is probably more accessible than most sites.
The one improvement I would suggest is that it seems you are using
tables for the page layout when using CSS for layout is more accessible.

-----Original Message-----
From: w3c-wai-ig-request@w3.org [mailto:w3c-wai-ig-request@w3.org] On
Behalf Of Tim
Sent: 09 May 2007 11:39
To: WAI Interest Group list
Cc: Ray Adams
Subject: Re: Accessibility tests of Australian University homepages


If I might please a last reply as I have been said to have the most 
inaccessible website ever and none has contradicted that statement 
except me.
Under the circumstances to say thanks , stop picking on me is 
insufficient to counteract a huge assertion.

The assertion was incorrect, it was extreme, it did not review my 
accessibility statement and colur blindness stylesheets, is was a 
cursory test of my homepage which is my worst page.

I believe my research may qualify in the category of:
http://www.cs.mdx.ac.uk/research/CIRCUA/invitation.html

It is innovative because:

It Provids a tool for the research subjects to lear themselves and it 
allows easy replication of the study.
http://www.hereticpress.com/Dogstar/Publishing/AustUni.html#Introduction

Is it really the most inaccessible site ever? Tell me so and I will go 
away.

Tim

On 09/05/2007, at 8:15 PM, Ray Adams wrote:

>  Hi All
>
> I too was dismayed by the acidic nature of some of the feedback in 
> this discussion.  The commercial world will back off if they see 
> internecine warfare breaking out.  The future of web accessibility is 
> not based on kicking individual websites but on the potential synergy 
> between standards- psychology-technology and that requires 
> collaboration and a constructive approach.
>
> Ray
>
> Dr Ray Adams
>
> Centre Head
>
> CIRCUA
>
> Collaborative International Research Centre for Universal Access
>
> Ravensfield House
>
> School of Computing Science
>
> Middlesex University
>
> The Burroughs
>
> Hendon
>
> London NW4 4BT
>
> Phone; 0208 411 5278
>
> Fax: 0208 411 6943
>
> http://www.cs.mdx.ac.uk/research/CIRCUA/ 
> <http://www.cs.mdx.ac.uk/research/CIRCUA/>
>
> http://www.mdx.ac.uk/schools/cs/staff/academics/r_adams.asp 
> <http://www.mdx.ac.uk/schools/cs/staff/academics/r_adams.asp>
>
> Email adresses
>
> ray.adams@mdx.ac.uk <mailto:r.g.adams@mdx.ac.uk>
>
> projectscircua@yahoo.co.uk <mailto:projectscircua@yahoo.co.uk>
>
> rayresearch@googlemail.com <mailto:rayresearch@googlemail.com>
>
>
>
>
>
> Dr Ray Adams
>
> Centre Head
>
> CIRCUA
>
> Collaborative International Research Centre for Universal Access
>
> Ravensfield House
>
> School of Computing Science
>
> Middlesex University
>
> The Burroughs
>
> Hendon
>
> London NW4 4BT
>
> Phone; 0208 411 5278
>
> Fax: 0208 411 6943
>
> http://www.cs.mdx.ac.uk/research/CIRCUA/ 
> <http://www.cs.mdx.ac.uk/research/CIRCUA/>
>
> http://www.mdx.ac.uk/schools/cs/staff/academics/r_adams.asp
>
>
>
>
>
> Email adresses
>
> ray.adams@mdx.ac.uk <mailto:r.g.adams@mdx.ac.uk>
>
> projectscircua@yahoo.co.uk <mailto:projectscircua@yahoo.co.uk>
>
> rayresearch@googlemail.com <mailto:rayresearch@googlemail.com>
>
>
>
> 	-----Original Message-----
> 	From: w3c-wai-ig-request@w3.org on behalf of Chris Harpin
> 	Sent: Wed 09/05/2007 10:59
> 	To: 'Tim'; 'WAI Interest Group list'
> 	Cc:
> 	Subject: [SPAM: 4.501] RE: Accessibility tests of Australian 
> University homepages
> 	
> 	
>
>
> 	Can we please try and keep this constructive if we are going to
focus 
> on one
> 	particular site.
> 	
> 	Whilst the colour schemes used may not be to the personal taste
of 
> some
> 	people, I have just tested the site with three people who are
all 
> diagnosed
> 	as suffering from colour blindness and non found the content to
be
> 	inaccessible. One did comment on a lack of appreciation of the 
> colours used
> 	but no website will ever 'wow' 100% of the visitors it attracts.
> 	
> 	The only general consensus across the three was that the logo is

> difficult
> 	to understand without reading the explanation. This may be
something 
> worth
> 	looking into and possibly loosing the scrolling effect.
> 	
> 	Rgds
> 	Chris
> 	
> 	-----Original Message-----
> 	From: w3c-wai-ig-request@w3.org
[mailto:w3c-wai-ig-request@w3.org] On 
> Behalf
> 	Of Tim
> 	Sent: 09 May 2007 10:53
> 	To: WAI Interest Group list
> 	Cc: Andy Laws
> 	Subject: Re: Accessibility tests of Australian University
homepages
> 	
> 	
> 	Select one of seven stylesheets
>
http://www.hereticpress.com/Dogstar/Publishing/WriteWWW.html#SelectCSS
> 	
> 	You have tested it have you, I admit the hompage is ordinary,
every
> 	other page is not.
> 	What stylesheet did you select for what form of colour
blindness?
> 	
> 	Tim
> 	
> 	On 09/05/2007, at 7:34 PM, Andy Laws wrote:
> 	
> 	>
> 	> I am sorry but how can any one with a site such as
> 	> http://www.hereticpress.com <http://www.hereticpress.com/>
advise 
> any body on web accessibility, this
> 	> is the most inaccessible site I have ever come across. Yes it
meets
> 	> all the w3c standards, but it accessible? No. it is estimated
that 
> in
> 	> the UK that up to 10% of the adult population suffers from
some form
> 	> of cognitive disability and with a population of 52milion that

> amounts
> 	> to some 520,000 users in the UK alone, are excluded from using
your
> 	> site. Due to your choice and use of color, I have tested your
site
> 	> through
> 	>
> 	>
> 	>
> 	> On 5/9/07, Christopher Hoffman
<christopher.a.hoffman@gmail.com >
> 	> wrote:
> 	>>
> 	>> On 5/8/07, Tim < dogstar27@optushome.com.au> wrote:
> 	>>
> 	>> > This is my first post, but I am a bit of an accessibility 
> vetran, a
> 	>> > political activist even at testing government and
educational
> 	>> websites
> 	>> > for accessibility and then displaying the results for the
public 
> to
> 	>> > see. Any critical comments on my work are most welcome.
> 	>>
> 	>> Umm.... it looks like for US$895 you will run a Web page
through 
> W3C
> 	>> and CynthiaSays.com validators
> 	>> (
> 	>> http://www.hereticpress.com/Dogstar/Publishing/
> 	>> Rates.html#accessreports).
> 	>>
> 	>> > ...some universities have supported my work, others refuse
to
> 	>> > acknowledge me and claim I am being aggressive in these
reviews. 
> Is
> 	>> > there a better way to go about promoting accessibility?
> 	>>
> 	>> Well, there are things like working to promote Web standards
and
> 	>> accessibility through groups like the W3C and WASP, as well
as 
> giving
> 	>> site owners good reasons to spend the time and resources to
make 
> their
> 	>> sites more accessible. The arguments don't even have to be
directly
> 	>> related to accessibility. For example, standards-based sites
are
> 	>> generally easier and less costly to update and maintain, with

> better
> 	>> accessibility as a side effect.
> 	>>
> 	>> > Through this page in the last two weeks, I have managed to
get
> 	>> > three Universities to improve their homepages for W3C
validity, 
> but
> 	>> not
> 	>> > much movement yet on accessibility.
> 	>>
> 	>> As I said above, giving me, as a site owner, good reasons to 
> invest in
> 	>> an accessible Web site would probably go a lot further toward
> 	>> convincing me to "move on accessibility" than listing tags, 
> attributes
> 	>> and features that my site is missing or deficient in.
> 	>>
> 	>> > 64% of Australian Universities passed Priority One WCAG 1.0
> 	>> > accessibility tests.
> 	>> > 11% of Australian Universities passed Priority Three WCAG
1.0
> 	>> Checlists
> 	>>
> 	>> That's really depressing, but it's just another instance of 
> something
> 	>> that everybody on this list already knows: that the vast
majority 
> of
> 	>> Web sites out there are severely lacking when it comes to
> 	>> accessibility. Tests and checklists are great tools for
designers 
> and
> 	>> developers, but they aren't going to persuade site owners.
> 	>>
> 	>> Best,
> 	>>
> 	>>  Chris
> 	>>
> 	>
> 	>
> 	>
> 	> --
> 	The Editor
> 	Heretic Press
> 	http://www.hereticpress.com
> 	Email dogstar27@optushome.com
> 	
> 	
> 	
> 	
> 	
>
>
The Editor
Heretic Press
http://www.hereticpress.com
Email dogstar27@optushome.com


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