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Re: Who makes law Re: UK Businesses Reject Accessible Web Sites

From: david poehlman <david.poehlman@handsontechnologeyes.com>
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 16:12:13 -0500
Message-ID: <008101c4ed21$e7708070$6401a8c0@DAVIDPC>
To: "Access Systems" <accessys@smart.net>
Cc: "David Woolley" <david@djwhome.demon.co.uk>, <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>

ada but they don't have standards for implenenting accessibility.

Johnnie Apple Seed

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From: "Access Systems" <accessys@smart.net>
To: "david poehlman" <david.poehlman@handsontechnologeyes.com>
Cc: "David Woolley" <david@djwhome.demon.co.uk>; <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 3:52 PM
Subject: Re: Who makes law Re: UK Businesses Reject Accessible Web Sites



On Tue, 28 Dec 2004, david poehlman wrote:

>
> bob, I have not found them in the regs.

I just found a short reference to it in Title II of ADA where it says to
be able to use "..a text browser such as Lynx..."

Bob

>
> Johnnie Apple Seed
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Access Systems" <accessys@smart.net>
> To: "david poehlman" <david.poehlman@handsontechnologeyes.com>
> Cc: "David Woolley" <david@djwhome.demon.co.uk>; <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 3:40 PM
> Subject: Re: Who makes law Re: UK Businesses Reject Accessible Web Sites
>
>
> On Tue, 28 Dec 2004, david poehlman wrote:
>
> > On the discussions of the 508 standards on the 508 list, we are told 
> > that
> > lynx and pine are not a good test of the standards.
>
> and I know that they are not the greatest test, but they are mentioned in
> the regs,  I usually test a lot of other ways too but usually the first
> pass is via LYNX   I figure if it doesn't pass that it doesn't have a
> chance.
>
> Bob
>
> >
> >
> > Johnnie Apple Seed
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Access Systems" <accessys@smart.net>
> > To: "David Woolley" <david@djwhome.demon.co.uk>
> > Cc: <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 3:20 PM
> > Subject: Re: Who makes law Re: UK Businesses Reject Accessible Web Sites
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 28 Dec 2004, David Woolley wrote:
> >
> > > > I think one of the points of the article was that some businesses
> > > > don't
> > > > consider the existing laws appropriate - neither for business, nor 
> > > > for
> > > > people with disabilities. Of course, that's effectively a local
> > > > biritsh
> > >
> > > The way I read it was that they don't think they are appropriate 
> > > because
> > > there is a reasonableness test.  Generally businesses don't mind
> > > complying
> > > with accessibility legislation as long as:
> > >
> > > - all their competitors incur the same compliance cost;
> > > - it is easy to work out exactly what to do to comply at the absolute
> > >   minimum cost.
> > >
> > > Having UK law reference WCAG would go part way there, but you still 
> > > have
> > > the Bobby problem.   The businesses almost certainly want mechanically
> > > verifiable rules, with no judgement calls.
> >
> > all people want to "know" when they are in the clear, put up a sign on a
> > road that the speed limit is "reasonable" you understand the confusion.
> >
> > I'm not sure how to solve this as it is a moving target. buried 
> > somewhere
> > in the US regulations, (and I can't find it at the moment) it says that 
> > if
> > a site is able to present all information in a format that can be read 
> > by
> > LYNX or PINE it is substantially compliant.  now what does that "Really"
> > mean but at least it is a start.
> >
> > wish I had a simple answer, I test stuff in LYNX using a linux operating
> > system, I figure if it works there it will work just about anywhere, but
> > I've been nailed by a few sites that work fine that way and won't work 
> > in
> > something else...
> >
> > Bob
> >
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