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Re: PDF in WCAG 2

From: david poehlman <david.poehlman@handsontechnologeyes.com>
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 15:41:27 -0400
Message-ID: <01ff01c48624$84e1ed40$6401a8c0@DAVIDPC>
To: "Access Systems" <accessys@smart.net>, "Phill Jenkins" <pjenkins@us.ibm.com>
Cc: <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>

If content is compliant but not accessible to me than something is rong with
the compliance that allows for this.
Johnnie Apple Seed

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Phill Jenkins" <pjenkins@us.ibm.com>
To: "david poehlman" <david.poehlman@handsontechnologeyes.com>; "Access
Systems" <accessys@smart.net>
Cc: <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 3:28 PM
Subject: Re: PDF in WCAG 2


>If I cannot use it, it's not accessible

It might not be accessible to you, but it still could be "compliant" to
the guidelines in WCAG 2.0.  In other words, if it is compliant with WCAG
2.0 it should be able to be made accessible to you without changing the
content, but by changing the assistive technology, the browser, the users
settings, etc. - but the author has done his/her part.

>If the web switched to svg today, lots of people would be out of
business.

So, if I use SVG and insure it is compliant with the guidelines and it is
usable by some users but it is still not usable by you what do I do?  I
find out why - what is the problem?  Is it the assistive technology's lack
of support, is it the browser, is it the users lack of awareness of other
conversion tools, or incorrect settings, or what?  I don't think the right
thing to do is perpetuate WCAG 1.0 type guidelines that lock us into the
thinking that only HTML 4.0 can be accessible.  If there is something
unique about SVG guidelines, then that needs to be documented in the SVG
techniques,  Same with SMIL, MathML, etc.

I wonder if there is a SVG to text converter for the Lynx users?  Yep, the
W3C host some at http://www.w3.org/2002/05/svg2stuff.html

I also found a PDF to SVG http://www.pdftron.com/pdf2svg/
and the PDF to text, HTML, and lots of others converters
http://www.convertzone.com/

If after the conversion the content is still not usable, then I have to
ask why?  Is the original content compliant?  Did the converter miss or
drop something?  Is there something wrong on the user's system?
If low and behold it is something wrong with the guidelines, then those
are the comments we need to get into WCAG and the technology specific
technique documents.

>using any free, avaliable screen reader please tell me what time the next
>bus comes Northbound on the M-8 Line at 59th street. (NYC)
>
>hint  html://www.mta.nyc.ny.us/

Bob,
Of course I need to make sure the PDF content is compliant to begin with,
but if I convert the PDF schedules on the NYC site and can answer your
question using the free pdf2txt on Linux+Lynx - will you agree that the
content is accessible?

Regards,
Phill
Received on Thursday, 19 August 2004 19:40:53 UTC

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