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Re: PDF in WCAG 2

From: david poehlman <david.poehlman@handsontechnologeyes.com>
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 18:27:50 -0400
Message-ID: <006101c48572$98a9fe60$6401a8c0@DAVIDPC>
To: "Joe Clark" <joeclark@joeclark.org>, "WAI-IG" <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>

I think we're getting off the track.  The question is not whether there is
text in pdf or not or whether I can google it, the question is whether I can
use it as it is and the answer is mostly no.

Johnnie Apple Seed

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe Clark" <joeclark@joeclark.org>
To: "WAI-IG" <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 5:30 PM
Subject: Re: PDF in WCAG 2

>> If this question were actually serious, I could give you a list a mile
>> long of practices used in typography that cannot be replicated in HTML.
> please do. as long as we're talking about practices that involve content,
> and not presentational stylings.

You seem to think footnotes are presentational.

>> And did you know that you can actually embed multimedia, with captions
>> and/or descriptions, *in* a PDF now? Try *that* in HTML.
> how's about object, for instance?

object, embed, and img merely refer to multimedia. You can embed it in

>> If you really believe the contrary, can we please just write out your
>> wedding invitations on Bristol board in pink crayon?

...and the response changed the subject, so it can be ignored.

>> Except for all that text inside them.
> which is useless to me if i can't access it in the first place...

Every platform in common use (including Linxux) can read PDFs, including
via open-source tools. Plus, I dunno, have you considered Googling?

>> Why, exactly?
> because if it's not text - and i still maintain that, regardless of how
> much text is inside the pdf, if i can't access it, it may as well not be
> there - then an alternative needs to be available.

The file contains its own accessibility features. I suppose you want
captions and descriptions decoupled from multimedia, too. It seems some
other people on the Working Group want that.


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