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Re: Breadcrumbs

From: david poehlman <poehlman1@comcast.net>
Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 19:11:16 -0400
Message-ID: <00c401c479af$34e11360$6401a8c0@DAVIDPC>
To: "John Britsios" <webmaster@webnauts.net>, "Patrick H. Lauke" <redux@splintered.co.uk>, <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>

it's just clutter to me.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Britsios" <webmaster@webnauts.net>
To: "Patrick H. Lauke" <redux@splintered.co.uk>; <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2004 6:46 PM
Subject: Re: Breadcrumbs



Patrick, to your comment:

"...what's more logical to understand?
"you are here: home greater than level 1 greater than level 2"
or (and i don't have Jaws or similar here at home, so forgive me if this
is not the exact output you'd hear...but you get the idea)
"you are here: list with three items. 1 home. 2 level 1. 3 level 2"..."

what does a screenreader say when he reads:
You are here: Home &raquo; Services &raquo; Sitemap &raquo; Contact?

And to my opinion many sites have a breadcrumb trail as a navigation aid.
And the result is obvious: helps the user work out where they are in a
hierarchical site. It's pretty good usability, or not?

John S. Britsios
Principal Web Accessibility Consultant,
Usability Specialist & Trainer

Webnauts Net
Thielenstr. 2
D-33602 Bielefeld
Germany

Home: http://www.webnauts.net


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Patrick H. Lauke" <redux@splintered.co.uk>
To: <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 12:20 AM
Subject: Re: Breadcrumbs


>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jon Dodd"
> [snip]
> > That is, unless it was CSS rendered to
> > look like the standard form (like the example above).
>
> Well, that was a given. We're not talking about the visual representation
as
> a list, merely the underlying code.
>
> > by being 'semantically'
> > correct you would actually decrease accessibility by making the
breadcrumb
> > understandable only to those who are teccie coding pedants
>
> thinking about screenreaders, for instance, the argument becomes:
>
> what's more logical to understand?
> "you are here: home greater than level 1 greater than level 2"
> or (and i don't have Jaws or similar here at home, so forgive me if this
> is not the exact output you'd hear...but you get the idea)
> "you are here: list with three items. 1 home. 2 level 1. 3 level 2"
>
> We have not forgotten about the users, au contraire. We're trying to find
> a good practice that is more logical (in markup, and by extension can then

> be processed and presented by AT in a more logical way than a single
> linear stream of words, interspersed with "greater than")
>
> Glad we're providing amusing entertainment along the way ;)
>
> Patrick H. Lauke
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