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RE: Skip Navigation was RE: Access key questions

From: Steven Dale <sdale@stevendale.com>
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 09:56:44 -0500 (EST)
Message-ID: <1324.129.174.36.240.1080572204.squirrel@www.stevendale.com>
To: <P.H.Lauke@salford.ac.uk>
Cc: <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>

Patrick,

   When I said that designers dont mark up headings with the headings tag
but instead use styling.  I was countering Andrews point about
designers not adding skip links.  He made the point that designers
didnt want to add links to the page and that the User Agent could
handle it. (and rightly so if marked up properly)  I just was stating
that it is not generally marked up  properly either, which leaves the
User Agent unable to symantically determine headers.


Andrew,

   You are correct about the CSS usage.  But CSS can style paragraphs <p>
to make them look like headers without the header <h> tag.  I know that
you knew this.  I am just saying that even with an execellent User
Agent, designers must still mark up their content correctly.  I am very
glad to see the use of CSS improving.  I believe that CSS is going to
be a very big key in website design as we shift away from designing
from the PC centric design to a multimodal design.  CSS along with the
upcoming CC/PP work can tailor which style sheet is sent along with the
html to the browser.  The stylesheets can then be written to display
the content more effectively for the device in which the content is
being viewed.

-Steve



P.H.Lauke said:
>
> Good that you made the point Andrew...I was about to dive into
> a "stop these useless generalisations about designers (or, as
> other list members like to do, 'marketing people')" when I first
> saw the previous message...
>
> Patrick
> ________________________________
> Patrick H. Lauke
> Webmaster / University of Salford
> http://www.salford.ac.uk
>
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Andrew Kirkpatrick [mailto:andrew_kirkpatrick@wgbh.org]
>> Sent: 29 March 2004 15:02
>> To: sdale@stevendale.com
>> Cc: w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
>> Subject: Re: Skip Navigation was RE: Access key questions
>>
>>
>>
>> > Possibly... But designers dont use Headings and continue to
>> use styles to
>> > change the heading text which makes user agents unable know what is
>> symantically a heading and what is just styled text.
>>
>> This situation has improved dramatically.  With better
>> support for CSS in
>> newer browsers and changes in the design community that
>> encourages the use
>> of CSS for layout, there are far more sites that use CSS
>> these days.  I
>> wouldn't describe the transition as complete, but the trend
>> is a positive
>> one.
>>
>> AWK
>> --
>> Andrew Kirkpatrick
>> Project Manager, WGBH National Center for Accessible Media
>> 125 Western Ave.
>> Boston, MA  02134
>>
>> 617-300-4420 (direct voice/FAX)
>> 617-300-3400 (main NCAM)
>> 617-300-2489 (TTY)
>>
>>
>>
Received on Monday, 29 March 2004 09:57:42 UTC

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