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Re: "Blind for a Day" - visibility: hidden vs none

From: Stephani Roberts Lincoln <stephani@MIT.EDU>
Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 17:18:51 -0400
Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20040518171522.01f59b58@hesiod>
To: Andrew Kirkpatrick <andrew_kirkpatrick@wgbh.org>, Jim Thatcher <jim@jimthatcher.com>, w3c-wai-ig@w3.org

This is an excellent resource, thanks Andrew! And thanks to James and Juan 
for the offscreen idea as well. The more options we have the better, we'll 
start testing these to see what works best.

Steph

At 03:04 PM 5/18/2004 -0400, Andrew Kirkpatrick wrote:

>Jim,
>Your results are correct, but you're generalizing a little.
>visibility:hidden and display:none do hide the content, but not when applied
>in all possible ways.  You can apply these styles in the <style> element,
>inline, or in an external stylesheet.  The external stylesheet can be
>referenced via the link element or using @import.  The results are not the
>same.
>
>I have done a set of tests (am missing some data on HPR 3.02). My test file
>is at:
>http://www.webaccessibility.info/lab/displaytest.html
>
>AWK
>
>On 5/18/04 12:25 PM, "Jim Thatcher" <jim@jimthatcher.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > Hi Steph,
> >
> > I am using JAWS 4.51 and for me visibility:hidden hides the text from JAWS.
> > Visibility:none is not valid style but display:none is. Display:none hides
> > the text from JAWS for me. Both Visibility:hidden and display:none hide the
> > text from both Window-Eyes (4.5) and HPR (3.02) as well. My test file is
> > http://jimthatcher.com/test/visibility.htm. Bottom line, both
> > visibility:hidden and display:none hide JAWS, Window-Eyes, and HPR on my
> > machine.
> >
> > Jim
> > Accessibility, What Not to do: http://jimthatcher.com/whatnot.htm.
> > Web Accessibility Tutorial: http://jimthatcher.com/webcourse1.htm.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: w3c-wai-ig-request@w3.org [mailto:w3c-wai-ig-request@w3.org] On 
> Behalf
> > Of Stephani Roberts Lincoln
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 10:52 AM
> > To: 'WAI-IG'
> > Subject: RE: "Blind for a Day" - visibility: hidden vs none
> >
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Related to some comments here and screen readers response to visibility:
> > none. With JAWS visibility:hidden works to hide text from the browser
> > display while the screen reader picks up the text and voices it (not true
> > of visibility:none). Can anyone tell me if this true for IBM HPR and Window
> > Eyes?
> >
> > thanks,
> > Steph
> >
> >
> > At 07:11 PM 5/17/2004 -0500, Jim Thatcher wrote:
> >
> >> Joe,
> >>
> >> It has nothing to do with verbosity settings. His recommendations are
> >> absolutely right on; every one. He did mention putting main content near
> > the
> >> top because "the thing I hated the most was having to blast past five
> >> hundred links in a sidebar in order to get to the actual content." I am
> >> impressed with how well this guy understood the problems of listening to
> > web
> >> content. Very unusual.
> >>
> >> Jim
> >> Accessibility, What Not to do: http://jimthatcher.com/whatnot.htm.
> >> Web Accessibility Tutorial: http://jimthatcher.com/webcourse1.htm.
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: w3c-wai-ig-request@w3.org [mailto:w3c-wai-ig-request@w3.org] On
> > Behalf
> >> Of Joe Clark
> >> Sent: Monday, May 17, 2004 1:36 PM
> >> To: WAI-IG
> >> Subject: "Blind for a Day"
> >>
> >>
> >> Bloggeur tries out IBM Home Page Reader and shares tips. He should
> >> learn about verbosity settings, though.
> >>
> >> <http://www.mojombo.com/archives/000034.html>
> >> --
> >>
> >>      Joe Clark | joeclark@joeclark.org | <http://joeclark.org/access/>
> >>      Author, _Building Accessible Websites_ | <http://joeclark.org/book/>
> >>      Expect criticism if you top-post
> >
> >
> >
> >
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