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Re: link in new window debate

From: Access Systems <accessys@smart.net>
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 19:35:27 -0500 (EST)
To: Info AT ATutor <info@atutor.ca>
Cc: Phill Jenkins <pjenkins@us.ibm.com>, w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0311181933580.6321-100000@smart.net>

On Tue, 18 Nov 2003, Info AT ATutor wrote:

other than the translation section I was able to use all of the site I
tried in a short quick visit,  I was using Linux Red Hat 9.0 and the
latest version of LYNX....good job, and it is GPL as a bonus....!

Bob

> 
> [Excuse my abrupt entry into this discussion. Who is this guy you ask? 
> He's been at this accessiblity thing for too long.]
> 
> Please learn about transformable content. That is where web 
> accessibility is going. 
> 
> Pay more attention to the needs of people with cognitive disabilities in 
> your studies of web accesibility.  There is rarely consideration of the 
> needs of those with learning disabilities in accessibility discussions. 
> Transformable content can be accessible to these people, as well as to 
> the blind, or any other person with a  disability where  barriers affect 
> their use of electronic information (not just the assistive technology 
> users).
> 
> When the new windows issue arises now and again, the needs of a person 
> with a short term memory disability always seem to be secondary to the 
> needs of those with sensory disabilities, if their needs arise at all.  
> A second window can be quite useful for a person who has difficulty 
> remembering what they've just read. The dynamic help as suggested by ... 
> could work for these users, but this could present other accessibility 
> issues (Though php etc. would do this handely along with a dynamically 
> generated anchor. But for the less skilled a second window is usually 
> the alternative.). Consistent use of a single popup window, though 
> perhaps not optimal for some screen reader users, can make content 
> accessible to a person with a learning disability.
> 
> If you haven't seen how we are dealing with accessibility through 
> transformation, see how ATutor does it (yes it does open new windows in 
> places, but never more than one window at a time). There is a fully 
> functional working demo to play with. The next step in this project's 
> development is connecting to a respository of transformable learning 
> objects (The TILE Project).  The transformable learning environment and 
> the transformable learning content are accessible to many more than just 
> AT users.
> 
> ATutor
> http://www.atutor.ca
> 
> greg
> 
> [Joe and Chris, this is not a plug, it is a sharing of knowledge] ;-)
> 
> Phill Jenkins wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> >
> >Info at ATutor.ca said:
> >
> >...  If I know you are
> >using a screen reader for example, I can strip away all the redundant
> >navigation links, remove the images, or present columns of text in a
> >single column. I'll transform the content ...
> >
> >Phill replies:
> >
> >that is what the browser+screen reader does, it present the information in
> >a linear sequence, it renders the skip link, and all the other navigation
> >links.  We don't need the authors doing the job of the Assistive
> >technology.  We don't need the authors doing the job of the user
> >configurations settings either.
> >
> >We as list members need to continually ask ourselves: Who's best
> >responsible for solving the problem?  The author, the browser +AT, or the
> >end user/operating system platform?
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> 

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