Re: link in new window debate (was "Special message to website cr eators")

OK. You're missing my point. That being "You can't please all the people 
all the time".

You are but one person (who incidentally is not pleased). If I give an 
option to turn off popups, would you be happy?

Preferences, options, adaptibility,... go a lot further with developers 
than dictating rules.

greg

David Poehlman wrote:

>I won't answer one for one here but I will boil it down to this.  I hear
>preference and I hear useability.  Despite what developers may want and
>despite what looks pretty tosome people and despite what people might
>perfer, we come down to one thing.  there is a prinsiple called kiss and
>though some what over used, it can be quite effective.  I have never seen
>any advantage for anyone for having new windows spawned all over the plac at
>author will for the 'user's' sake.  Nothing is really lost when this is
>avoided and nothing is really gained if it is not but, and you knew there
>had to be one didn't you? new windows are a hazzard for at least some people
>and not having them causes no harm.
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>From: "Info at ATutor" <info@atutor.ca>
>To: "David Poehlman" <poehlman1@comcast.net>; <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
>Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 2:58 PM
>Subject: Re: link in new window debate (was "Special message to website cr
>eators")
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>David Poehlman wrote:
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>>Opening any new window can be distructive.  It seems to me that it is much
>>simpler and cleaner to keep us in the same window.
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>For you maybe.
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>But what about others who can benefit from being able to have two
>windows open.
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>Imagine a skilled developer who knows about accessibility and usability
>issues:  you'll never convince that person that new windows should never
>be used.  She might listen if you were to say "minimize the use of popup
>windows because I get lost when there are too many of them", or,  "let
>me decide if I want popups or not". Hardcore denial only causes
>developers to put up their defenses and as a result they will likely
>ignore your pleas to get rid of popups. I would expect you and the
>developer to adapt a little.
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>As that skilled developer I can not deny those who can benefit from
>being able to see help in a new window while they work in another
>window. Many, if not most sighted users would prefer this over having to
>switch back and forth with the back button.
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>>If a new window is
>>opened, I have to remember that it is there and I have to go back and forth
>>between two windows if I want to read them.
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>If I have a short term memory disability, I won't be able to remember
>the instructions unless they are open in another window alongside. It
>works both ways.
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>>It's much eaiser and cleaner to
>>use the back and forward buttons of the browser to achieve the same result
>>among other ui features.
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>You don't need a back button in a help popup. Only a "close window" link
>at the top so  you know you're in a  popup. It's when you don't know
>you're in a popup window that disabling the UI features becomes a problem.
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>Opening external URLs in a new window is a different story, but again a
>developer wants to keep you on his site. Denying them  new windows  will
>on raise their  defences.  Ask them to open all external URLs in the
>same window as a happy medium everyone can live with.
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>with all due respect
>greg
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