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Re: WAI Web site remarks and suggestions

From: Charles McCathieNevile <charles@sidar.org>
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 16:06:42 +0200
Cc: "Jens Meiert" <jens.meiert@erde3.com>, w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
To: Jonathan Chetwynd <j.chetwynd@btinternet.com>
Message-Id: <78DE2E1E-FD86-11D7-9FDF-000A958826AA@sidar.org>

I agree that the WAI website is not that clear, and so not the most 
useful link to give people. Links into bits of the site on the other 
hand are some of my most important resources.

But I think moving the discussion to the wai-site-comments list is 
appropriate - I am probably the only regular participant here with the 
actual access required to change the site, and it would be a major 
breach of my job conditions to do so. The people who read that list, on 
the other hand, are explicitly authorised to change the site.

Sadly, I don't see much value in going further on this list unless you 
are actively trying to get a group of people to sign up to a particular 
message being sent, or unless you have a particular question you think 
it is valuable to discuss. (I haven't noticed anyone on this list 
suggest that the WAI site is already perfect, so that's not an 
interesting question ;-)

just my two pesetas, of course...

Charles

On Monday, Oct 13, 2003, at 08:10 Europe/Zurich, Jonathan Chetwynd 
wrote:

>
> I'll third this review.
>
> I've raised this issue on so many occasions over the past ~4-5 years 
> that I'd just about given up on ever seeing anything done about it.
> check the thread "QED & Marshall McLuhan" about demonstrating rather 
> than talking about.....
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ig/1999AprJun/0361.html
>
> The failure to use plain English, and ' not really communicating what 
> it's even about' are particular problems.
> I find outreach extremely difficult as most people find WAI deeply 
> geeky.
> The rationale as explained to me is that the 'audience' is software 
> developers.
> Working in education, as I do, means that nearly all the work on 
> business use is irrelevant, at least in the introduction.
>
> The nearest to something reasonable might be
> http://www.w3.org/Talks/WAI-Intro/slide1-0.html
> However slide 2 has to be seen to be believed. if an explanation is 
> needed, wouldn't a help link be sufficient?
>
> shifting the discussion to wai-site-comments@w3.org isn't appropriate.
> A major change of function is required, and this effects all members, 
> not just website admin.
>
> Jonathan
>
>
> On Saturday, October 11, 2003, at 02:51  pm, Jens Meiert wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi *,
>>
>>
>> the following part is not supposed to be an allegation, but only a 
>> factual
>> remark -- when I just visited the WAI Web site (I often look at the 
>> source
>> code first when visiting a site; sort of developer syndrome, I 
>> guess), some more
>> or less important issues striked me, most of them related to 
>> Accessibility,
>> as a matter of course.
>>
>> So I e.g. wondered why the WAI doesn't use Accesskeys on its site, 
>> nor is it
>> fulfilling the own goals in relation to table use (the tables don't 
>> comply
>> with real data tables, and they don't use any <caption />, either, as
>> discussed in about 1,000 mails before). The WAI also passes on 
>> alternative styles
>> (e.g. for aural use) and it also uses color schemes where I don't 
>> know if they
>> are that perfect (because of the minor contrast).
>>
>> There are of course several other topics related to this WAI 
>> figurehead, but
>> I'm too lazy to list them all, so I only decided to put an additional 
>> Bobby
>> analysis link in here:
>>
>>    http://bobby.watchfire.com/bobby/bobbyServlet?
>>    URL=http://www.w3.org/WAI/&output=Submit&gl=wcag1-aaa&test=
>>
>> -- By the way, although the WAI Web site might be a quite simple 
>> site, it
>> also brings up some Usability problems by not really communicating 
>> what it's
>> even about, and breaking standards by e.g. linking the WAI logo to 
>> the WAI Web
>> site (although you're already there; it's recommended not to link to 
>> the
>> start page if you're quite there) or putting the navigation to the 
>> right side.
>> And 'switch column layout' is just an unnecessary and confusing 
>> gimmick.
>>
>> Only some thoughts to lead the Web to its full potential ;) And 
>> seriously: I
>> think the WAI WG should set a good example, and it should be in our 
>> own
>> interest to show how it's done best.
>>
>>
>> All the best,
>>  Jens.
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Jens Meiert
>> Interface Architect
>>
>> http://meiert.com
>>
>>
> Jonathan Chetwynd
> http://www.peepo.co.uk
> "A web by people with learning difficulties"
>
>
--
Charles McCathieNevile                          Fundación Sidar
charles@sidar.org                                http://www.sidar.org
Received on Monday, 13 October 2003 10:07:35 GMT

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