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Re: Speech browser compatibility with HTML

From: Charles McCathieNevile <charles@sidar.org>
Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 01:08:32 +1000
Cc: <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>, "Phill Jenkins" <pjenkins@us.ibm.com>
To: "Isofarro" <w3evangelism@faqportal.uklinux.net>
Message-Id: <D242F232-DAFB-11D7-BDD3-000A958826AA@sidar.org>

P W L D is pretty much ingrained into any sports fan.

You could use the abbr attribute on the th cells, and if the screen 
readers don't implement the full HTML 4 table model yet you could add 
headers attributes, which most of them do implement.

For that matter you could make them abbr elements inside the heading 
elements...

Cheers

Chaals

On Saturday, Aug 30, 2003, at 21:11 Australia/Sydney, Isofarro wrote:
in response to Phill Jenkins
>> But it doesn't make
>> sense to me to have the sighted user see the headings: P W D L GF 
>> etc. and
>> then expect the screen reader to automatically read something 
>> different.
>> In other words, why should it read the title attribute over the actual
> text
>> of the heading?  That would be like turning all tool tips on all the 
>> time
>> for a sighted user.  Who would want that?
>
> Only someone new to the typical league table format. Within the UK most
> football-mad people know what the abbreviated headers mean. So the
> additional information and unwinding of these headers is only needed 
> for the
> occasional lapsed memory, or someone encountering a league table for 
> the
> first time. I don't recall ever seeing this sort of table published 
> with the
> full "Games Played", "Games Won", "Games Drawn" - it is _that_ 
> "inbred" into
> UK culture.
>
> The problem/opportunity I haven't resolved yet is to allow the 
> meanings of
> the abbreviated form to be accessible. At the moment in a speech 
> browser I'd
> like it to say just "Played", "Won", "Drawn", "Lost" as the title when
> entering the relevant table cell data (for pure listenability more than
> anything else) - would I have to revert to making those the actual 
> table
> headers?
>
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Charles McCathieNevile                          Fundación Sidar
charles@sidar.org                                http://www.sidar.org
Received on Saturday, 30 August 2003 11:08:47 GMT

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