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RE: divs and screen readers

From: John Foliot - WATS.ca <foliot@wats.ca>
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 09:41:55 -0400
To: "Aaron Smith" <aaron@gwmicro.com>, "Julia Collins" <julia@we3.co.uk>, <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
Message-ID: <GKEFJJEKDDIMBHJOGLENOEJMEAAA.foliot@wats.ca>

Also, (and this may been obvious, and I don't mean to offend), is the
content inside of the div's wrapped in a block level element such as <p>?  A
sample URL would be helpful

JF

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> Behalf Of Aaron Smith
> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2003 9:24 AM
> To: Julia Collins; w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
> Subject: Re: divs and screen readers
>
>
>
> Juila,
>
> If I'm following your description correctly, Window-Eyes 4.5 reads each
> column separately, rather than one line at a time from each
> column. But I'm
> also not convinced that you're using the other screen readers correctly.
> Are you attempting to read the web page with the mouse?
>
> Remember that the majority of visually impaired people using
> screen readers
> will not be using the mouse pointer to read web pages. Screen readers in
> general usually have a specific method for reading web pages.
>
> Window-Eyes, for example, places you in a quasi-word processor type mode
> where you can use your arrow keys to move line by line, word by word,
> character by character, link by link, paragraph by paragraph, heading by
> heading, and so on, and so on. Using this method, the column example you
> have listed in your message works correctly.
>
> Aaron
>
> At 07:10 AM 7/10/2003, Julia Collins wrote:
>
> >Hello
> >
> >I am testing a 3 column site that has been set up with css
> controlled divs,
> >with the code arranged in a logical order, so you get the navs
> (with a skip
> >navs link), then the content. There is a text only version that
> renders the
> >site in this way, which is easy to access with a screen reader.
> But we know
> >that we shouldn't rely on that
> >
> >However, the testers I have been working with say that both HAL and JAWS
> >read the graphical version horizontally, as it appears on the
> screen, rather
> >than, as it were, vertically as it appears in the the code, so you hear
> >(eg):
> >
> ><leftdiv> line one </leftdiv>
> ><centrediv> line one </centrediv>
> ><rightdiv>line one</rightdiv>
> >
> >then:
> >
> ><leftdiv> line two</leftdiv>
> ><centrediv> line two</centrediv>
> ><rightdiv>line two</rightdiv>
> >
> >rather than
> ><leftdiv>entire content</leftdiv>
> ><centrediv>entire content</centrediv>
> ><rightdiv>entire content</rightdiv>
> >
> >Which is what was intended.
> >
> >if there is an image starting on a line, you get the alt text
> joining into
> >the mix.
> >
> >As you can appreciate, this rather defeats the purpose..... and
> is extremely
> >annoying.
> >
> >Anyone know why, what I am doing wrong, or if the testers (all seasoned
> >screen reader users) need to adjust their settings (which can't be right,
> >surely).
> >
> >Thanks
> >
> >Julia
> >
> >
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