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Re: Is time running out for the without STYLE SHEET guidelines?

From: Jonathan Chetwynd <j.chetwynd@btinternet.com>
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 07:26:06 +0000
Cc: w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
To: Access Systems <accessys@smart.net>
Message-Id: <42D0AF80-34ED-11D7-81C6-0003939B5AD0@btinternet.com>

Bob,

got to the bottom of your problem, the site you are complaining about  
is a BBC site, not a peepo page.

Peepo is a web directory for people who have few or no literacy skills.
If we only linked to pages that were universally accessible, and great  
for our  intended audience, then we might not have a job at all.
The title gives you a clue :-)

We have been asked to create an area that links to switch accessible  
resources for switch users, and this will most likely be the area that  
fits this ideal in the immediate future.

as an aside, I'd like to know if there are any plans to produce a Lynx  
type browser that accepts plugins, realplayer for example.
for visually impaired users this would be an excellent means of quickly  
and cleanly browsing radio stations, possibly in combination with  
http://www.peepo.com

thanks again

Jonathan



On Thursday, January 30, 2003, at 09:02 PM, Access Systems wrote:

> On Thu, 30 Jan 2003, Jonathan Chetwynd wrote:
>
>> could you please send me a URI and error message
>
> www.peepo.com
> don't get an error message, just can't use the site for the magazine,  
> the
> rest seems to work.
>
> at the top I get
> -----
>
>    BBC online - education - wwww Living Things
>
>     [embed]
> ------
>
> thats it
>
>> I don't use embed or object, just very plain xhtml*, css and
>> javascript, and no tricks, just errors.
>> and all the pages validate at w3
>
> ?????  I am Running Red Hat Linux 7.2 and loggin onto the web via a  
> Unix
> link and Lynx to visit the site...
>
>
>
>>
>> Perhaps it was a transient phenomenon?
>> it may be a version thing, it works fine here....
>>
>> thanks
>>
>> Jonathan
>>
>> at least I got to change the dreadful unhelpful alt tags...
>> *literally: html, head, body, div, a, img, meta, link, script and
>> nothing else, well maybe that's a small exaggeration, but that's all I
>> could find there.
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, January 30, 2003, at 07:42 PM, Access Systems wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 30 Jan 2003, Jonathan Chetwynd wrote:
>>>
>>>> Bob
>>>>
>>>> thanks for your comment, invaluable,could you expand on why you  
>>>> think
>>>> the magazine part doesn't work at all?
>>>
>>> no when I tried to open a section of the mag it came up with a
>>> [embeded]
>>> and it would not click through.
>>>
>>> using Lynx
>>>
>>> Bob
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I've changed the alts to reflect the issue number, which is perhaps
>>>> what you were referring to.
>>>>
>>>> Jonathan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, January 30, 2003, at 02:56 PM, Access Systems wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, 30 Jan 2003, Jonathan Chetwynd wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I'd go further than Nick, and suggest that if you don't like the
>>>>>> look
>>>>>> of your page in a browser such as lynx you might want to consider  
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> career change :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.peepo.com uses similar technologies and yet looks fine  
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> lynx, and works without any combination of DHTML/CSS/javascript/
>>>>>> unless
>>>>>> you know different.
>>>>>
>>>>> well the site is, shall we say interesting it does work in Lynx
>>>>> EXCEPT
>>>>> the
>>>>> peepo magazine part doesn't work at all....
>>>>>
>>>>>> Design something that looks great without images, without DHTML,
>>>>>> javascript or CSS. Its not easy, but is sort of possible.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have seen some that look pretty good in plain Lynx (but I can't
>>>>> remember
>>>>> a URL off the top of my head)
>>>>>
>>>>> Bob
>>>>>
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>>>>
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>
>    ASCII Ribbon Campaign                        accessBob
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