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Re: Title for the frame

From: Alan Chuter <achuter@teleservicios.com>
Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 00:37:08 +0200
Message-ID: <004301c336b3$5c80d9e0$8fe72351@mshome.net>
To: <yoan.simonian@snv.jussieu.fr>, "Charles McCathieNevile" <charles@sidar.org>
Cc: <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>

> cryptic - which is a P1 checkpoint). But I can't see anything in WCAG
> that makes it compulsory to use the title attribute.

The wording is 'title', but I interpret it to mean using the name attribute
as well. Surely we should do both. I know JAWS uses the name, but the name
of an element is not really intended for human consumption, but for the
browser. I think this is analogous to the way that when an image has no ALT
text, JAWS reads out the filename. It was the best it could do in the early
days, before titles and alt text.

    12.1 Title each frame to facilitate frame identification and navigation.
[Priority 1]
    For example, in HTML use the "title" attribute on FRAME elements.

regards

Alan Chuter
Fundosa Teleservicios
achuter@teleservicios.com


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charles McCathieNevile" <charles@sidar.org>
To: <yoan.simonian@snv.jussieu.fr>
Cc: <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 9:29 PM
Subject: Re: Title for the frame


>
> WCAG says  that the names have to be clear enough to make it obvious
> what is happening. "nav" is not obvious, but "site navigation" or is
> more so. The name attribute can not include spaces, so in many cases
> you will want to use a title attribute (you are writing for people to
> read, where french may not be their first language - avoid being
> cryptic - which is a P1 checkpoint). But I can't see anything in WCAG
> that makes it compulsory to use the title attribute.
> name="advertisement" is one example of something that probably doesn't
> need a title to expand further. (Make sure the ads are accessible
> though - everyone wants to be able to ignore them, but also when they
> try to find out what is being advertised they like to be able to.
>
> It is also helpful to provide noframes content that makes the site
> workable anyway. There are examples of this "in the wild" (i.e. on
> Websites that don't make any particular claim to be accessible) but
> they are rarer than they should be.
>
> regards
>
> Charles
>
> On Thursday, Jun 19, 2003, at 12:07 Europe/Zurich, yoan SIMONIAN wrote:
>
> >
> > Another question.
> > For the frames, if the NAME attribute is explicit, is the title
> > attribute mandatory ?
> >
> > thanks again for your help.
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