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RE: Javascript

From: Larry G. Hull <Larry.G.Hull@nasa.gov>
Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 14:28:02 -0400
Message-Id: <p0510030dbad708cb6b8e@[128.183.217.33]>
To: "Hy Cohen" <hy@miplet.com>
Cc: <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>

Hy,

David did not separate his first sentence, "I'm not sure it becomes 
accessible just by providing <noscript> alone.", from the rest of the 
paragraph which discusses a mouseover event, the drop down menu.

<noscript> only works if you turn off JavaScript and only provides 
the menu if that was coded for <noscript>. I've actually seen 
<noscript></noscript> with no code appearing between the tags. Don't 
ask me what the author was thinking or maybe the author was using a 
template and didn't understand the function of <noscript>.

Regards,

Larry

At 9:25 AM -0700 5/1/03, Hy Cohen wrote:
>I use a screen reader with JavaScript enabled.  Will <noscript> work for
>allowing the drop down menus to work, or must I disable JavaScript?
>There are other things JavaScript does which I may want to have it do
>which is why I have it turned on.
>
>Thanks,
>Hy
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: w3c-wai-ig-request@w3.org [mailto:w3c-wai-ig-request@w3.org] On
>Behalf Of Tom James
>Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 5:48 AM
>To: 'w3c-wai-ig@w3.org'
>Subject: RE: Javascript
>
>
>
>>  Naturally in the case of DHTML menus, there is a graceful fallback in
>>  the noscript element, so a DHTML menu can be accessible by providing
>>  an alternative.
>
>I'm not sure it becomes accessible just by providing <noscript> alone.
>About 2 years ago, I wanted to do some DHTML, where additional
>information appeared in response to a mouseover event. I checked various
>options with a blind user, who used a screen reader over MSIE, but with
>JavaScript enabled (they worked within a corporate environment in which
>many of the browser options were disabled by the IT team - but that's
>another story!). The problem was one of focus: in order to see the
>additional links, the mouse had to hover over the "master" item.
>However, this requires you to concentrate in two places at once: the
>mouse is on the master link, while you read the additional information
>elsewhere on the screen. This is quite easy for a sighted user, because
>you can look at one area of the screen while the cursor is elsewhere.
>However, for my blind user, the screenreader read wherever the cursor
>was, so could only read the additional information by moving away from
>the "master" item - whereupon the additional info disappeared in
>response to the mouseout event! Essentially, a sighted user can
>concentrate on two areas of the screen simultaneously (the "master" item
>that triggers the event, and the text that appears in response), whereas
>with a screen reader, it was one or the other, but not both
>simultaneously.
>
>As I say, this was a little while ago, and maybe the state of the art in
>screen readers has moved on. But it goes to show that the problem can be
>more complex than just making sure that the scripted behaviour works
>when scripts are disabled and work when using device-independent events.
>
>	Just my 0.02EUR
>
>		Tom
>
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