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Re: Rockville, MD- Seeking low vision users for testing federal website

From: David Poehlman <poehlman1@comcast.net>
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 14:21:16 -0500
To: michaeka@WellsFargo.COM, foliot@bytowninternet.com, RRust@COVANSYS.com, accessys@smart.net
Cc: w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
Message-id: <009001c2a6ca$a9fe11c0$6501a8c0@handsontech>

the distinction being made here though is that of publishing for paper
and publishing for the web which if best practices are followed are two
different things.  so post and publish can be said to be fair uses.

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From: <michaeka@WellsFargo.COM>
To: <foliot@bytowninternet.com>; <RRust@COVANSYS.com>;
<accessys@smart.net>
Cc: <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 1:50 PM
Subject: RE: Rockville, MD- Seeking low vision users for testing federal
website



According to www.m-w.com, the meaning of "post" includes:
a. to publish, announce, or advertise by or as if by use of a placard
b. to enter on a public listing

and "publish" includes:
a. to make generally known
b. to disseminate to the public

I "post" to a  mailing list like WAI-IG. I "publish" Web sites, as my
purpose in doing so is to communicate to as wide an audience as
possible,
not solely to a specific list.

In my Web site work I both "design" (content, look-and-feel) and
"develop"
(code and other techie issues). Both correctly done code and
well-designed
content and visual layout support accessibility.

While it's important that Web pages read correctly with screen readers,
conscientious layout and use of images may help people with certain
cognitive disabilities better access the Web, as well as provide a more
pleasing and usable Web experience for sighted users in general. I, for
one,
find heavily text-based sites with poor/no use of images and white space
hard to access.

Blossom Michaeloff



-----Original Message-----
From: John Foliot - bytown internet [mailto:foliot@bytowninternet.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 5:41 AM
To: RUST Randal; 'Access Systems'
Cc: WAI-IG
Subject: RE: Rockville, MD- Seeking low vision users for testing federal
website

Hear, hear!

Another issue is dealing with content creators who are accustomed to
writing
material and seek to "publish" there tomes on the internet.  We also
have
"designers" who approach web development strictly from an esthetic
perspective, with little thought to underlying functionality.

Everybody, repeat after me: "We don't *publish* web sites, we POST them.
We
don't *design* web sites, we DEVELOP them."  (I'm thinking of getting a
t-shirt printed.)

JF




> -----Original Message-----
> From: w3c-wai-ig-request@w3.org [mailto:w3c-wai-ig-request@w3.org]On
> Behalf Of RUST Randal
> Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 8:31 AM
> To: 'Access Systems'
> Cc: WAI-IG
> Subject: RE: Rockville, MD- Seeking low vision users for testing
federal
> w ebsite
>
>
>
> Bob said:
>
> > of course the expectations are way up there, as someone who
> > has been on what passes for the internet for over 20 years I
> > am seriously dismayed by the degradation of accessibility
> > over the years, the equipment and software is getting better
> > but total access is getting worse...would you not be dismayed?
>
> As I get more and more involved in Web development, I cannot
> ignore that the
> situation is only going to grow worse.  This is in large part due to
> programmers who are moving from software development to Web
development.
> They rely too much on WYSIWYG tools, such as JDeveloper, Struts and
Visual
> Basic.  Because they have, in the past, had little or no constraint in
how
> they've had to create code, except for the platform, they have no
> desire to
> put the effort into properly writing markup.  As long as the pages
display
> and work in Internet Explorer then they think that their job is done.
This
> is a huge problem that I'm having to deal with on a daily basis.
>
> Randal
>
>
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