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Re: Accessible PDFs?

From: David Poehlman <poehlman1@comcast.net>
Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 14:37:44 -0500
To: Harry Woodrow <harrry@email.com>, "'Access Systems'" <accessys@smart.net>, "'Scarlett Julian (ED)'" <Julian.Scarlett@sheffield.gov.uk>
Cc: w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
Message-id: <004f01c29a3a$4eb7bc40$19e03244@DAVIDPOEHLMAN>

I only refer to two types of pdf files and those are tagged and untagged
pdf documents.  Even the taggged ones are not "accessible" in the sense
that they need to be or in the sense that html can be if it is propperly
coded.  This cuts down on the confusion.  In order to create a tagged
pdf document, one must make a consious effort to do so.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Harry Woodrow" <harrry@email.com>
To: "'Access Systems'" <accessys@smart.net>; "'Scarlett Julian (ED)'"
Cc: <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2002 10:27 AM
Subject: RE: Accessible PDFs?

Maybe we should define what me mean by pdf.
Pdf is not one but several file formats all having the one extension.
Pdf files can be created by scanning documents, in which case the
document is more like an image and hence is inherently inaccessible.
In older pdfs they may be converted from word or other documents and
these may be accessible to some degree as the text is able to be
accessed under some circumstances.
If they are prepared in Adobe Acrobat 5 by scanning they are
If they are prepared in Acrobat 5 and marked up correctly or distilled
in the latest format they may be accessible.
If they are prepared even in acrobat 5 and then distilled using an older
type of format, as are many print prepared documents because many print
shops can't handle the latest converters they will not be accessible.

So can some knowledgeable person suggest a way we can refer to they
myriad of pdf files in a way in which we can all know which we are
referring to.

Harry Woodrow

-----Original Message-----
From: w3c-wai-ig-request@w3.org [mailto:w3c-wai-ig-request@w3.org] On
Behalf Of Access Systems
Sent: Monday, 2 December 2002 11:13 PM
To: Scarlett Julian (ED)
Cc: w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
Subject: RE: Accessible PDFs?

On Mon, 2 Dec 2002, Scarlett Julian (ED) wrote:

> that's a less than useful answer in that it doesn't really give a true
> picture of the situation. Yes, it's true that AT cannot read pdf
> created using Acrobat 4 but (correct me if I'm wrong) it *is* possible
> version 5 to produce documents that are accessible if the creator
knows what
> they're doing.

AND the user has the conversion software AND is running the
"correct" operating system, AND the user is using the "correct"

show me how it will ever work no matter how good the creator is if

the user does not buy the conversion software
is not running Windoze
is not using IE

give me a site to view that you think has accessible pdf and I'll try
reading it,  I sincerely wish you were right, but haven't found it yet.


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