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RE: LABEL Tag Question

From: Hy Cohen <hy@miplet.com>
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 10:02:32 -0700
To: <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
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True, however, I know Window-Eyes, which is  a fairly common screen
reader, will not tell you the TITLE if there is a LABEL.  It would be
odd to put the instructions for the field in every LABEL.  The TITLE is
much more appropriate place, but to force Window-Eyes to read the TITLE
I cannot use a LABEL.  As long as the TITLE will work at meeting the WAI
guidelines as a sub for LABEL, then that is fine.  I'm just trying to
meet WAI guidelines but still make the Window-Eyes read all the
important info without having to switch MSAA mode on and off.  As a
screen reader user myself, I know how annoying that is.  <smile>


-----Original Message-----
From: w3c-wai-ig-request@w3.org [mailto:w3c-wai-ig-request@w3.org] On
Behalf Of Charles McCathieNevile
Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 9:22 AM
To: Phill Jenkins
Cc: w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
Subject: Re: LABEL Tag Question

It is true that the title is something that might be a tooltip. The
point is that title is extra information users might not get (or might
not ask for). The label will be presented to everyone. So repeating
information from the label in the title seems an odd thing to do - that
should be additional, supplementary information.


On Wed, 2 Oct 2002, Phill Jenkins wrote:

>>> title="Please enter the minimum required age for
>>> this activity, or leave blank for no minimum age."> <label
>>This is an abuse of title.  title is *not* a tool-tip.  It is
>>grammatically a noun, not an imperative.
>Actually, the title attribute is rendered as a tool tip in most
>graphical browsers, and more importantly, is described as such in the
>HTML spec.
>See http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/global.html#adef-title
>... offers advisory information about the element ... may annotate ...
>Values of the title attribute may be rendered by user agents in a
>variety of ways. For instance, visual browsers frequently display the
>title as a "tool tip" (a short message that appears when the pointing
>device pauses over an object). Audio user agents may speak the title
>information in a similar context. For example, setting the attribute on

>a link allows user agents (visual and non-visual) to tell users about
>the nature of the linked
><end quote>
>Phill Jenkins,  IBM Research Division - Accessibility Center

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