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Re: Invisible Skip navigation link

From: David Poehlman <poehlman1@comcast.net>
Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 11:58:36 -0400
Message-ID: <000401c23d62$1fd928d0$f00f5acf@DVLDPoehlman>
To: "Al Gilman" <asgilman@iamdigex.net>, "Phill Jenkins" <pjenkins@us.ibm.com>, <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>

this is a battle of intelegences and I guess hpr should employ repair only
when repair is needed so as not to fall into redundancies such as that.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Al Gilman" <asgilman@iamdigex.net>
To: "Phill Jenkins" <pjenkins@us.ibm.com>; <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 11:52 AM
Subject: RE: Invisible Skip navigation link



At 11:16 AM 2002-08-06, Phill Jenkins wrote:


>This is a know problem with speech synthesizers.  When to treat the period
>as punctuation and when to treat it as a dot, as in dot com.  Do it the
>proper way by following conventional grammar practices and let the
>synthesizers get their problems fixed.

I don't quite agree.  Using punctuation as styling cannot be done
in so context-free a manner as HPR is currently doing.  If punctuation
enough
to force a pause is present adjacent to the end of the link, HPR should not
be injecting fresh punctuation to achieve a pause because the result is not
what HPR intended.  A broader context has to be read before deciding what to
write in this situation.

Al

>One way to avoid the dot vs period problem is to never end the sentence
>with link text.  If you put the link in the middle of the sentence, then
>the sentence ends with regular text followed by a period that will get
>treated as a period and not a hanging dot.
>
>By the way, DOH get's read as Date of Hire.  What did you mean by DOH?
>
>Regards,
>Phill
>IBM Research Division - Accessibility Center
>
>
>"Steve Vosloo" <stevenvosloo@yahoo.com>@w3.org on 08/06/2002 05:06:08 AM
>
>Sent by:    w3c-wai-ig-request@w3.org
>
>
>To:    <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
>cc:
>Subject:    RE: Invisible Skip navigation link
>
>
>
>
>Hi,
>
>Just tried this in IBM Homepage Reader (HPR) and had a problem with the
>ALT on the image. By default HPR adds a full stop to an ALT description,
>so ALT="Hello world" gets read as "Hello world." (with a pause after
>'world'). But if you add a non-breaking space then you get "Hello world
>." which sounds like "Hello world DOT" (because of the space).
>
>Of course if you use the old ALT="Hello world." you get "Hello world..",
>which also sounds like "Hello world DOT".
>
>DOH!
>
>Steve
Received on Tuesday, 6 August 2002 11:57:50 GMT

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