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Re: And today's ironic bit of HTML is...

From: Access Systems <accessys@smart.net>
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 21:44:37 -0400 (EDT)
To: Charles McCathieNevile <charles@w3.org>
cc: Tina Marie Holmboe <tina@elfi.org>, Tom Gilder <w3c@tom.me.uk>, w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0207042136160.30926-100000@smarty.smart.net>

On Thu, 4 Jul 2002, Charles McCathieNevile wrote:

> Where is Kynn? In his absence...

probably out watching fireworks???
> 
> Accesible to whom? The Web is accessible to a huge number of people who

I was merely expressing "my" personal use of the internet

> couldn't use the internet of the 1980s. At the same time it seems that each
> time we make some progress we make some more mistakes.

yes what is treasure for some is trash for others

> Providing multimedia content on the Web has been very important for many
> people. Doing it in a way that the message cannot be understood without all
> the flashing media has excluded people who were doing fine before.

that is basically my concern, at least for a while I suspect the PDA
wireless tech will do more for text based internet than all of our yelling
and stuff ever did

> In general I see a better awareness of accessibility, better techniques and
> tools for making it happen, and better results than (for example) five years

and less use of the better techniques and tools.  I personally would put
some of the blame on the ubiquiness of MS Windows and the belief that
anything that can be done with their shortcuts is all there is to do...and
MS isn't doing anything to correct this

> accessible IT for schools). But as with all generalisations that is by no
> means always true, and although we are making overall forward progress in
> most areas there are lots of problems that we haven't dealt with well and
> some new ones that we have created.

I agree and disagree, the fact that the internet is far more avaliable
today than it ever was (I was using a Univac(sp) 1108 as big as a house
when I first accessed what was then the beginning of the web) and this is
good, but we also are making the web so bloated that many (Most) folks in
the third world are excluded as well as many people running obsolete or
just slow linked systems especially those in the inner cities who cannot
afford DSL and new systems every time Bill sneezes.  and this doesn't even
touch the access issue. 

> So my personal feeling is that we are indeed moving towards a more accessible

for some and away from it for many other

> web.  But we have a long way to go.

can't disagree with you there

happy 4th
Bob
> 
> cheers
> 
> Chaals
> 
> On Thu, 4 Jul 2002, Access Systems wrote:
> 
> >
> >On Fri, 5 Jul 2002, Tina Marie Holmboe wrote:
> >
> >> On Thu, Jul 04, 2002 at 08:21:10PM +0100, Tom Gilder wrote:
> >> > <a href="javascript:void(0)" onclick="window.open('http://www.w3.org/WAI/', '',
> >> > '');">accessibility</a>
> >> > ...and this on a professional development company's site.
> >>   To quote myself to Tom on EFnet's #html:
> >>
> >>    "Tina's Addendum to Flavell's Law: any site that claims to deal with
> >>     accessibility issues will, with few exceptions, prove to be inaccessible"
> >>
> >>   How does the rest of you feel about the current status: are we moving
> >>   towards a more accessible web, or are people - not to put too fine a point
> >>   on it - not giving crap ?
> >
> >I have used what passes for the internet since 1974 and while crude by
> >todays standard, it was far more accessible even then, and it has gone
> >down hill ever since, with it getting much worse in the past 3-4 years to
> >the point I think maybe 1/2 or more of the internet is no longer
> >accessible...and I am dismayed that in ten more years little if anything
> >will remain usable without complex adaptive software/hardware
> >
> >Bob
> >
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