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RE: help with longdesc needed

From: Scarlett Julian (ED) <Julian.Scarlett@sheffield.gov.uk>
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 08:18:24 -0000
Message-ID: <F9BE3B1AB649D311A573009027852E4D01E347AF@EDUC_MXS>
To: w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
Many thanks to all who replied - very useful and constructive comment.


Simon wrote
> Looking at the page in Lynx provided me with some other 
> thoughts... the links around the map (in the graphical form) 
> take the user in the direction described graphically. 
> However, I am not sure that this comes across like that in a 
> text-only browser. 

Oops, hadn't even considered that. The alt text associated with those image
links is actually the direction that the arrow points in but I guess that a
more appropriate bit of text would be "move east" or "go east of here" or
something similar since this is essentially what the image says. The title
property for those links could (should!) give more details as to what's
happening. Also, since that whole map is a series of images held tightly
together in a table (we tried cssp, honest) it doesn't really make as much
sense when it's linearised. Hmmm.

I think a mixture of Chaal's street intersection idea and Simon's landmarks
will end up being used but this is going to be a long job for someone ;-)
[It may be easier to get all the car parks closed !!]


Oh, Simon, fyi the guy who wrote about the 'Gary' band is dyslexic and I
think we should consider ourselves unfortunate that his spelling mistake
this time was actually a viable word; normally it's quite easy for us to
spot them ;-) (Must have a word about spelling grey with an 'a' though
-that's just not British!!) 

[Everybody, please note that I'm not poking fun at dyslexics; I have a
couple of extremely close friends who not only have trouble with spelling
but also have an innate independence and drive to succeed that fills me with
admiration. I'm sure they wouldn't mind me writing about them in this list
like this.]


regards 

Julian

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Simon White [mailto:simon.white@jkd.co.uk]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 5:17 PM
> To: Charles McCathieNevile; Scarlett Julian (ED)
> Cc: w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
> Subject: RE: help with longdesc needed
> 
> 
> In addition to the answer from chaals, is it possible to 
> provide a description that will provide a description that 
> will direct people to certain car parks dependent upon how 
> they enter the city? I notice that there is a description of 
> what lies to the South, North, East, West, etc, so using 
> landmarks near here, would my idea also be a viable option.
> 
> I say this because I used a screenreader and found I was 
> confused (although I am not blind I like to use the 
> technology that my users could well be using). This is by no 
> means a fault of your department Julian, it is difficult to 
> pin down the best method of providing directions to someone, 
> sighted or not! *grin* Particularly if they do not know the 
> City of Sheffield well.
> 
> Looking at the page in Lynx provided me with some other 
> thoughts... the links around the map (in the graphical form) 
> take the user in the direction described graphically. 
> However, I am not sure that this comes across like that in a 
> text-only browser. Again, this is only my observation and I 
> hope that it has been of help to you.
> 
> Kind regards
> 
> Simon
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Charles McCathieNevile [mailto:charles@w3.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 16:17
> To: Scarlett Julian (ED)
> Cc: 'w3c-wai-ig@w3.org'
> Subject: Re: help with longdesc needed
> 
> 
> Well, I don't use much AT (does an external mouse and large 
> fonts count?) but
> as atypically text-only user who drives to car parks I would 
> be looking for
> street names and intersection information - carpark is at 
> carver ste=reet,
> between city hall and johnson st, etc.
> 
> chaals
> 
> On Wed, 13 Mar 2002, Scarlett Julian (ED) wrote:
> 
>   Hi all
> 
>   my colleagues and I are having trouble getting a longdesc 
> for a car parking
>   map correct. The URI is below and we *know* that there are 
> certain things
>   wrong (such as using reference numbers from the map in the 
> description) but
>   we would really appreciate it if some AT/screenreader users 
> could give us
>   some input. Many thanks in advance.
> 
>   
> http://www.sheffield.gov.uk/services/del/car_parking/pages/off
_street_parkin
  g/long/central.htm


  Julian Scarlett
  Web Design & Document Management System Officer
  PPU
  Education Directorate
  Sheffield City Council
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