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RE: Scrollable tables

From: Charles McCathieNevile <charles@w3.org>
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 12:55:25 -0500 (EST)
To: "SHARPE, Ian" <Ian.SHARPE@cambridge.sema.slb.com>
cc: "WAI (E-mail)" <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0201311253030.32538-100000@tux.w3.org>
Personally I am not a great fan of iFrames, for the same reason I am not mad
keen on frames - they are generally very badly implemented, to the point
where I recommend not doing them. There are many many features of the web
where doing it badly is better than not doing it at all, but frames isn't (in
my personal opinion) one of them.

The major outstanding accessibilty issue is know what has changed around the
frameset, and knowing why it changes - partly an issue of browser design,
partly an issue of how the content is designed.

just my 2 cents worth

Charles

On Wed, 30 Jan 2002, SHARPE, Ian wrote:

  Cheers Charles, that's encouraging. On the subject of iframes though, do we
  like them? As a developer I kept as far away from the old frames as
  possible, mainly for navigational reasons. So as soon as I saw the term
  iframe I started feeling a little unconfortable. These iframe do seem to
  offer similar functionality but without the issues of the old frames though?

  Cheers
  Ian


  -----Original Message-----
  From: Charles McCathieNevile [mailto:charles@w3.org]
  Sent: 30 January 2002 11:47
  To: SHARPE, Ian
  Cc: WAI (E-mail)
  Subject: Re: Scrollable tables


  Nope, this is done by using an iFrame - an HTML 4 feature that replicates
  the
  object element in most cases, but provides a different way of changing the
  content. I don't know how they print - badly I would imagine. Don't know how
  screen readers handle them  - I guess OK if they are really smart about it -
  it is similar to the way at frames work.

  cheers

  Chaals

  On Wed, 30 Jan 2002, SHARPE, Ian wrote:

    I've started seeing these scrollable table things being used recently. Is
    this a MS IE invention and does anyone have any thoughts on their
    accessibility and usage? You seem to be able to tab into them in order to
    scroll them with keys which kind of works for me. Only problem with them
    being that I don't think the contents would be printed but that's not
    necessarily an accessibility issue. Maybe if they were made to small it
    might be difficult to use them with large font sizes as you would only see
  a
    very small section but don't think this would affect screen readers?

    Here's an example I've come across:

    http://www.cocsc.org.uk/squads_training_schedule_2002.html

    Cheers
    Ian



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