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RE: The Nonsense Rhetoric of Web Accessibility (was: background-image in CSS)

From: Access Systems <accessys@smart.net>
Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 15:04:45 -0500 (EST)
To: Harry Woodrow <harrry@email.com>
cc: Kynn Bartlett <kynn-edapta@idyllmtn.com>, w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0201181502350.24542-100000@smarty.smart.net>
On Sat, 19 Jan 2002, Harry Woodrow wrote:

>  If you claim otherwise, you are insane, deluded, lying, or woefully
> misinformed.  Have you ever thought that in this case it may be you that is
> that.


OK it is important to discuss this issue without taking things personally.

it is a very important issue and frequently troublesome, if not to some
certainly to many recipients.

the weather is a lot colder if your on the outside looking into the warm
building than it is if you are in the building looking out at the person
without a coat

Bob
 > 
> Harry Woodrow
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: w3c-wai-ig-request@w3.org [mailto:w3c-wai-ig-request@w3.org]On
> Behalf Of Kynn Bartlett
> Sent: Saturday, 19 January 2002 2:57 AM
> To: Charles F. Munat; w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
> Subject: The Nonsense Rhetoric of Web Accessibility (was:
> background-image in CSS)
> 
> 
> At 10:53 AM -0800 1/18/02, Charles F. Munat wrote:
> >RUST Randal wrote:
> >>as a journalist, i find the point of view that the user has control over
> >what i determine is essential is simply ludicrous.
> >Yes, and back in the 1960s, many store owners thought that they had
> >a right to decide who they would serve and how. If blacks were
> >served at all, they had to enter through the back door. And when
> >confronted with the discriminatory aspect of this practice, the
> >store owners loudy protested their right to discriminate.
> 
> Wow, this is the week of awful analogies
> 
> >Accessibility is a civil rights issue, and civil rights issues are
> >human rights issues.
> 
> Yes, but what you're saying and what other people are saying is, frankly,
> bizarre, inflammatory, divisive, and downright stupid.
> 
> A background image which is related to the content, which conveys
> content available elsewhere on the page, which can be safely turned
> off and still convey the essential purpose of the page, which
> enhances the ability of the visual user to use the content without
> hurting the accessibility to those who cannot see visual content,
> and which complies with WCAG1 -- which is what Randal proposed,
> if anyone had bothered to read it -- is in NO WAY AT ALL anything
> like store owners discriminating against black people.
> 
> Not at all.  It's not.  It's simply not.  If you claim otherwise,
> you are insane, deluded, lying, or woefully misinformed.
> 
> The author determines the essential purpose of a web page.  This is
> not discrimination.  This is not equivalent to racism.  This is not a
> major threat to accessibility in the slightest.
> 
> The GREATER threat to accessibility is nonsense rhetoric such as
> this, which only serves to make web accessibility activists look
> like complete and utter fools, thus making it harder for those of
> us who are not utterly foolish to stand up and say, "you have to
> make sites which can be used by everyone" while some other loon
> is off saying, "...which means that I, the user, have full
> control over whatever you want to say!"
> 
> I find the comparison to racism to be completely offensive both in
> the minimalization of 1960s-style racism and the absurdity of
> claiming that the existence and proper execution of authorial
> intent -- in which the author is explicitly taking steps to
> ENSURE the accessibility of the essential content of the page --
> to be equated with racism.
> 
> Come on, people.  Of course accessibility is a human rights issue,
> but let's not suddenly make any sort of statements which we don't
> agree with into a Nazi death camp or institutionalized racism
> or slavery or whatever.  Please.
> 
> --Kynn, disgusted
> 
> --
> Kynn Bartlett <kynn@idyllmtn.com>                 http://kynn.com
> Chief Technologist, Idyll Mountain            http://idyllmtn.com
> Web Accessibility Expert-for-hire          http://kynn.com/resume
> January Web Accessibility eCourse           http://kynn.com/+d201
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> 

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