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RE: not jaws, just inaccessible:Fw: Inaccessible Web sites

From: Aaron Smith <aaron@gwmicro.com>
Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 16:28:40 -0500
Message-Id: <5.1.1.2.0.20020524162547.00cabd50@mail.gwmicro.com>
To: "John Foliot - bytown internet" <foliot@bytowninternet.com>, "W3c-Wai-Ig" <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
But yet the page content is still accessible. I agree with a previous post 
regarding the terminology needing to be switched from "inaccessible" to 
"does not validate." After all, a page's ability to validate or lack 
thereof does not necessarily dictate its accessibility 
(fortunately/unfortunately as that may be).

At 04:29 PM 5/24/2002 -0400, John Foliot - bytown internet wrote:

>Well, for one, it doesn't even validate! Makes me wanna run out and join
>with them for sure!
>http://www.htmlhelp.com/cgi-bin/validate.cgi?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.iwanet.org
>%2Fjoin%2Findex.html&warnings=yes&input=yes
>
>No DTD! (ARGHHHH!!!!!!!)
>
>or how about:
>Line 49, character 9:
></CENTER> <TABLE BORDER=0 CELLPADDING=2>
>         ^Error: end tag for element CENTER which is not open; try removing
>the end tag or check for improper nesting of elements
>
>Line 109, character 109:
>... GCOLOR="#FFFFFF" WIDTH="100%">
>                                  ^Error: element TABLE not allowed here;
>possible cause is an inline element containing a block-level element
>
>Line 110, character 61:
>...  FACE="Arial" COLOR="#FFFFFF"><B>Step
>                                  ^Error: element FONT not allowed here;
>possible cause is an inline element containing a block-level element
>
>****************
>
>Then there's the matter of autorefresshing the stupid banner call:
>"<IFRAME
>src="http://128.121.216.101/cgi-bin/ads/banners.pl?region=1&refresh=10&keywo
>rd=NULL" height="60" width="468" marginwidth="0" marginheight="0" vspace="0"
>hspace="0" frameborder="0" align="middle" scrolling="no"><A
>href="http://128.121.216.101/cgi-bin/ads/blink.pl?region=1&slot=1"
>target="_top"><IMG
>src="http://128.121.216.101/cgi-bin/ads/bimg.pl?region=1&slot=1&keyword=NULL" 
>border="0" width="468" height="60" alt="Click Here!"></A></IFRAME>"
>
>I love to here that clicking sound that IE is creating every 10 seconds or
>so...
>
>**********
>
>OK, in less than 60 seconds then, I've found contraventions on one page to
>the following WAI Guidelines: 3.2 (Formal Grammers), 3.3 (Use Style Sheets),
>3.4 (relative sizing), 3.5 (Header Elements - <CENTER><FONT face=Arial
>color=#ffffff><B>Learn About IWA (Step #2)</B></FONT></CENTER>), 3.7 (use
>blockquote properly), 7.4 (auto-refresh), 11.2 (although, since I don't know
>which version of HTML they are authoring to, it's hard to tell what's
>deprecated...)
>
>
>Yup, a shining example of what not to do.
>
>JF
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: w3c-wai-ig-request@w3.org [mailto:w3c-wai-ig-request@w3.org]On
> > Behalf Of Aaron Smith
> > Sent: May 24, 2002 4:06 PM
> > To: Jerry Weichbrodt; w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
> > Subject: Re: not jaws, just inaccessible:Fw: Inaccessible Web sites
> >
> >
> > Can you explain the inaccessibility of this page? Loaded with
> > Window-Eyes,
> > it reads well.
> >
> > At 04:03 PM 5/24/2002 -0400, Jerry Weichbrodt wrote:
> >
> > >Here's one more page that's an accessibility nightmare with JAWS, and it
> > >really surprises me.  http://www.iwanet.org/join/index.html
> > >
> > >Just let a blind person try and become a member of the International
> > >Webmasters Association.
> > >
> > >Regards,
> > >Jerry
> >
> > --
> > Aaron Smith
> > GW Micro
> > Phone: 260/489-3671
> > Fax: 260/489-2608
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> > Technical Support & Web Development
> >

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