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RE: visibility of 'skip links'

From: Charles McCathieNevile <charles@w3.org>
Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 07:55:23 -0400 (EDT)
To: Simon White <simon.white@jkd.co.uk>
cc: David Poehlman <poehlman1@comcast.net>, "Scarlett Julian (ED)" <Julian.Scarlett@sheffield.gov.uk>, <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0205200752310.15906-100000@tux.w3.org>
There are sighted users out there (like me) who would like to be able to see
it and use it in a normal graphical-rendering browser like Opera. If we can't
see it we don't know we can use it.

You can partially hide it - making it change colour with something like

a:link.hidden { visibility:hidden }
a:hover.hidden a:focus.hidden { /* something that makes it stand out */ }

Peepo.com used this technique to avoid showing lots of alphabetical stuff at
once. I suspect it might be a good compromise...

cheers

Chaals

On Mon, 20 May 2002, Simon White wrote:

  Would it also be possible to add the link the same colour as the background so that it is hidden from sighted users, but those with screenreaders can still access it?

  -----Original Message-----
  From: David Poehlman [mailto:poehlman1@comcast.net]
  Sent: 20 May 2002 12:41
  To: Scarlett Julian (ED); w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
  Subject: Re: visibility of 'skip links'


  perhaps rewording the link will help.  Say something like "move to main
  content" and they get the idea?

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: "Scarlett Julian (ED)" <Julian.Scarlett@sheffield.gov.uk>
  To: <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
  Sent: Monday, May 20, 2002 3:26 AM
  Subject: visibility of 'skip links'


  Hi all,

  just a quickie. I have a page (several actually) with a 'skip links'
  link at
  the top of the main nav menu. On showing this to some sighted users who
  I
  would assess as having limited experience of the internet but make up a
  sizeable proportion of my target audience I became aware that this link
  was
  confusing them. I therefore wanted to hide it and attached a css class
  with
  visibility set to hidden. Does doing this present any problems for the
  people that would benefit from a 'skip links' link. I'm pretty sure that
  screen readers will pick up the hidden link but just wanted to make
  sure.
  Any comments?

  tia

  Julian

  Julian Scarlett
  Web Design & Document Management System Officer
  PPU
  Education Directorate
  Sheffield City Council
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