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RE: free/not free proprietary

From: Access Systems <accessys@smart.net>
Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 19:29:20 -0400 (EDT)
To: Jim Thatcher <jim@jimthatcher.com>
cc: Nick Kew <nick@midgard.webthing.com>, Martin McCormick <martin@dc.cis.okstate.edu>, w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205021926230.31054-100000@smarty.smart.net>
On Thu, 2 May 2002, Jim Thatcher wrote:

> Nick, OK, I'll correct you:
> "For blind users, any kind of GUI would seem particularly pointless
> (correct me if I'm wrong:-)."
> Far from pointless, the GUI offers standardized application controls,
> leaving the problem of access to the "client area" of applications to the
> ingenuity of screen reader developers. With text based applications every
> application had to be specifically "scripted" or "profiled" in order to work
> at all.

in other words, lets make things complicated and difficult for a few blind
users so people who can see can have some eye candy!  

> It is not a done deal for screen readers today because applications use
> non-standard controls without appropriately taking care of that. And of
> course the work areas of applications can be a disaster,

no GUI can be used reliably, and easily by all screen readers

> but it is a lot
> better than the text based world as we knew it when OS/2 and Windows came
> onto the scene.

THAT is a matter of opinion!   I ran DOS 6.2 up until two years  ago when
I switched to Linux, still have Dos on my laptop!

> Jim
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: w3c-wai-ig-request@w3.org [mailto:w3c-wai-ig-request@w3.org]On
> Behalf Of Nick Kew
> Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 4:49 PM
> To: Martin McCormick
> Cc: w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
> Subject: Re: free/not free proprietary
> On Thu, 2 May 2002, Martin McCormick wrote:
> > 	I agree.  Put simply, there is not presently a browser
> > that works with script for UNIX users who do not use X windows.
> > Making X windows accessible is a huge order.
> >
> > 	The minimum functionality should be a browser engine that
> > can at least follow all links and call auxiliary programs to
> > handle content that the browser can not display as text.
> For blind users, any kind of GUI would seem particularly pointless
> (correct me if I'm wrong:-).  So a commandline-based system with,
> for example, Lynx+Pine+Speech would be an ideal way of getting
> online.  That is to say, subject to accessibility considerations.
> One of the goals of my accessibility proxy proposal is a javascript
> engine that will deal with scripting-based links on behalf of users,
> whether of Lynx or of any other browser without scripting, or
> anyone in a security-conscious environment.
> --
> Nick Kew

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