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Re: Frames and accessibility: opinions please

From: Tina Marie Holmboe <tina@elfi.org>
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 10:09:04 +0200
To: w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
Message-ID: <20020425100904.A10746@elfi.org>
On Thu, Apr 25, 2002 at 03:01:47PM +0800, Harry Woodrow wrote:

> To get something that looks like frames is not that hard probably but is it
> as easy as it is with frames to have a standard header and side navigation
> and also allow users to include their own content in the main frame.

  I think we need to give consideration to two separate issues here. It is
  quite easy, a full example is provided in the specification, to create a
  layout that looks and behaves like a framed one by using CSS 2.

  That, however, is a purely visual point. Including 'their own' content in
  the 'main frame' is another - but there are various methods of achieving

    - CGI (alt. PHP/JSP/ASP/SSI) to do so online and on-the-fly
    - Pre-processing to do so offline and 'statically'.

  This would yield a document which behaves in a way consistent with the
  nature of the web, and which is easily bookmarked, printed, etc., whilst
  at the same time looking and behaving like frames.

  Personally I find only one drawback with the CSS 2 approach: IE has so
  far failed to support fixed positioning. This, however, is a minor point
  in my book.

  My answer to the above is: yes, it is quite easy to create a non-framed
  solution that looks and behaves like frames; and definetly as easy as a
  framed solution would be. You do, after all, get to throw out all the
  extra luggage that the traditional frames demand of you.

   - <noframes> ? Automatic.
   - Bookmarking ? Not to worry; works as-is.
   - Printing ? Exactly the same.
   - Search-, Braille, Voice- and text-browsers ? No problems.

  This doesn't even touch on the reduced maintenance and bugtracking time
  spent with a simpler and more logical site structure.

 - Tina H.
Received on Thursday, 25 April 2002 03:52:22 UTC

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