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RE: Label versus Title

From: Al Gilman <asgilman@iamdigex.net>
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 14:44:37 -0400
Message-Id: <200204201844.OAA1821584@smtp1.mail.iamworld.net>
To: w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
What use are FIELDSET and LEGEND for this example?  

Are they too arcane to show up in the screen reader?  The example given matches the logical pattern for which these were created.

Al

At 01:41 PM 2002-04-20 , Jim Thatcher wrote:
>I agree with David that the version with invisible text is not a good idea.
>The agreement ends there.
>
>If you use LABEL as a container for the INPUT element as well as the text,
>then screen readers will ignore it. So don't do that. The only case where
>the LABEL as a container is legal HTML is the situation where screen readers
>pick up the prompt without any mark up by the author so it is not worth the
>bother.
>
>"Enter Year" is a perfect use of title on an input element whose contents is
>supposed to be the year. But considering unnecessary noise with a screen
>reader I would just use "Year."
>
>In your example where part of the text could be used for one input element
>and the other part for another is a great use of the label element. Usually
>that does not work, like Zip Code with two fields, and Phone Number with
>three entry fields.
>
>Jim
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: w3c-wai-ig-request@w3.org [mailto:w3c-wai-ig-request@w3.org]On
>Behalf Of David Woolley
>Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 5:26 PM
>To: w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
>Subject: Re: Label versus Title
>
>
>> <label for="month">Please enter your birth month and year:</label> <input
>> type="text" id="month"> <input type="text" id="year" title="Enter year">
>
>This is a misuse of title; an appropriate title might be "year of birth".
>
>> <label for="month">Please enter your birth month</label> and <label
>> for="year">year</label>:<input type="text" id="month"> <input type="text"
>> id="year">
>
>I don't think "Please enter your" is really part of the label, but otherwise
>this makes sense.  I would say that it benefits all users, so doesn't
>need to be justified on accessibility grounds.
>
>> <label for="month">Please enter your birth month</label> and year:<input
>> type="text" id="month"><span class="invisibleText"><label for="year">Enter
>> your birth year</label></span> <input type="text" id="year">
>
>No on two grounds:
>
>- you've lost the usability to general users;
>- this is a misuse of span; the class should be on the label.
>
>Also note, that from an HTML point of view, if not a working round broken
>browsers point of view, the label element should enclose the input element
>and you will then not need the for parameter (and id can be name).  You
>would then need another element to cause invisibility, but do you really
>need to suppress helpful information?
> 
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