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RE: Acrobat PDF & Accessibility

From: Harry Woodrow <harrry@email.com>
Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 14:14:21 +0800
To: "Charles McCathieNevile" <charles@w3.org>, "Joel Ward" <ward_joel@bah.com>
Cc: "WAI List" <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
Message-ID: <LDEMKFBKJGCANBEJGEOIOEACCCAA.harrry@email.com>
One thing I have noted in this is we continually talk of PDF.  We never
bother to say a pdf created by Acrobat distiller 2.0, a pdf created from a
scanned document by Adobe Acrobat 3.0,4.0,5.0 etc.  Each of these is a
totally different item, yes they may share the same file extension but the
accessibility of each will be totally different.  THe fact that Acrobat 5.0
has a degree of accessibility if properly used does not sudenly make all the
other "pdf" documents accessible.

Harry Woodrow

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Sent: Thursday, 27 December 2001 1:33 PM
To: Joel Ward
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Subject: Re: Acrobat PDF & Accessibility


I think that is a very sensible approach.

chaals

On Thu, 20 Dec 2001, Joel Ward wrote:

  Question:

  If you have an accessible HTML version of a document, do we need to make
the
  PDF version of the document accessible too?  What if the PDF version is
only
  made available for printing purposes (and marked as such)?

  In that case, I'd concentrate on making the HTML accessible and forget
about
  the PDF.

  What does everyone else think?


  ----- Original Message -----
  From: "Carol Foster" <c.foster@umassp.edu>
  To: "William R Williams/R5/USDAFS" <wrwilliams@fs.fed.us>
  Cc: <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
  Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 4:35 PM
  Subject: Re: Acrobat PDF & Accessibility


  > I agree with Jakob Nielsen, though some people really like PDF's.  I
tend
  to
  > get annoyed when I click on a link and a PDF suddenly starts slowly
  appearing
  > without warning.
  >
  > I believe to meet WAI priority 1 checkpoints, an HTML version is
required.
  The
  > new more accessible PDF's that can be created with Adobe 5.0 and the
Make
  > Accessible Plugin are definitely an improvement over the old ones for
  screen
  > readers, and if I understand this correctly, I believe that they alone
  will
  > satisfy Section 508 without an alternative, though an HTML version is
  still
  > recommended.
  >
  > As a web developer, I'm afraid that those of us who want to make our
sites
  as
  > accessible as possible are now in the position of not only having to
  create an
  > HTML version, which can be easy or very time consuming (depending on
what
  we
  > have to start with), but also to make sure the PDF is itself accessible,
  which
  > can also be easy or very time consuming, depending on how the PDF was
  created,
  > what hardware and software one has, and how well one knows the new PDF
  tagging
  > language and update facilities.
  >
  > Carol
  >
  > William R Williams/R5/USDAFS wrote:
  >
  > > Hello,
  > >
  > > It's been debated often, I suspect; yet, if my experience means
  anything,
  > > much disagreement exists about the "true" accessibility of pdfs on the
  web.
  > > Certainly, Adobe has promoted the application and worked diligently to
  make
  > > them accessible, but others - such as Jakob Nielsen - suggest avoiding
  pdfs
  > > for on-screen delivery.
  > >
  > > I know there are definite usability issues, but how does this group
  stand
  > > on the accessibility of PDFs?
  > >
  > > Thanks!
  > > ======================
  > > Bill Williams
  > > Communication Technician
  > > USDA Forest Service, Region 5
  > > 707.562.9005
  > > wrwilliams@fs.fed.us
  > > ======================
  >
  > Carol Foster, Web Developer
  > University of Massachusetts, President's Office
  > http://www.umass-its.net/ipg
  >
  >


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