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RE: mark up for complex data tables

From: Access Systems <accessys@smart.net>
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 10:57:54 -0500 (EST)
To: "Scarlett Julian (ED)" <Julian.Scarlett@sheffield.gov.uk>
cc: "'w3c-wai-ig@w3.org'" <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0111211053500.1629-100000@smarty.smart.net>
On Wed, 21 Nov 2001, Scarlett Julian (ED) wrote:

> So how does it appear in PINE? Can you make any sense of it at all? What
> would make it a useable table for PINE users?

tried to remail it back so that it would come out but the codes must still
be working.

no it is totally impossible to make any sense of

in PINE table can read if type in without formatting but using fixed width
fonts and using the space bar to line up columns.  however it is still
hard to read with a voice output, but it can be done using directional
keys

Bob

 > > Julian
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Access Systems [mailto:accessys@smart.net]
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2001 3:43 AM
> > To: David Poehlman
> > Cc: Scarlett Julian (ED); w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
> > Subject: Re: mark up for complex data tables
> > 
> > 
> > On Tue, 20 Nov 2001, David Poehlman wrote:
> > 
> > > jaws 4.01 does a great job with this it seems.
> > 
> > yeah but you should see the garbage that comes out in PINE!
> > 
> > Bob
> > > 
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Scarlett Julian (ED)" <Julian.Scarlett@sheffield.gov.uk>
> > > To: <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 4:29 AM
> > > Subject: mark up for complex data tables
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Hi all
> > > 
> > > I am working with a site owner to convert their existing 
> > site to be more
> > > accessible. At present they are serving up MS Office 
> > documents (doc &
> > > xls)
> > > rather than html pages. To make things worse they are dumping Excel
> > > tables
> > > into Word docs as images. These tables are complex and I'm having
> > > trouble
> > > gettign the mark-up correct. I've read Kynn's article but still am
> > > having
> > > problems.The issue has become more urgent as I have an 
> > appointment in
> > > two
> > > days with a screen reader user to see how her assistive 
> > technology works
> > > and
> > > I would like to get the table done by then so I can hear 
> > the difference
> > > first hand. This is as far as I have got (I've put colours 
> > and aligns in
> > > for
> > > ease of use - these will of course be handled by CSS in the 
> > real thing):
> > > 
> > > <html>
> > > <head>
> > > <title>complex table - RAS work in progress</title>
> > > <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; 
> > charset=iso-8859-1">
> > > </head>
> > > 
> > > <body bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000" >
> > > <table width="90%" border="1" cellpadding="3" bordercolor="#000000"
> > > summary="Table showing comparison of pupil's marks for 
> > xxxxx school by
> > > subject: comparison is by gender, with statistical 
> > neighbours, across
> > > the
> > > LEA and nationally.">
> > > <caption> 2001 Key Stage 3 results for xxxxxx school. </caption>
> > >   <tr bgcolor="#CCCCCC">
> > >     <th colspan="3">
> > >       <div align="center">School name</div>
> > >     </th>
> > >     <th rowspan="2">
> > >       <div align="center">Subject</div>
> > >     </th>
> > >     <th colspan="3">
> > >       <div align="center">Band</div>
> > >     </th>
> > >     <th colspan="3">
> > >       <div align="center">LEA</div>
> > >     </th>
> > >     <th colspan="3">
> > >       <div align="center">National</div>
> > >     </th>
> > >   </tr>
> > >   <tr bgcolor="#CCCCCC">
> > >     <td>
> > >       <div align="center">Boys</div>
> > >     </td>
> > >     <td>
> > >       <div align="center">Girls</div>
> > >     </td>
> > >     <td>
> > >       <div align="center">All</div>
> > >     </td>
> > >     <td>
> > >       <div align="center">Boys</div>
> > >     </td>
> > >     <td>
> > >       <div align="center">Girls</div>
> > >     </td>
> > >     <td>
> > >       <div align="center">All</div>
> > >     </td>
> > >     <td>
> > >       <div align="center">Boys</div>
> > >     </td>
> > >     <td>
> > >       <div align="center">Girls</div>
> > >     </td>
> > >     <td>
> > >       <div align="center">All</div>
> > >     </td>
> > >     <td>
> > >       <div align="center">Boys</div>
> > >     </td>
> > >     <td>
> > >       <div align="center">Girls</div>
> > >     </td>
> > >     <td>
> > >       <div align="center">All</div>
> > >     </td>
> > >   </tr>
> > >   <tr>
> > >     <td>
> > >       <div align="center">data</div>
> > >     </td>
> > >     <td>
> > >       <div align="center">data</div>
> > >     </td>
> > >     <td>
> > >       <div align="center">data</div>
> > >     </td>
> > >     <td>
> > >       <div align="center">subject 1</div>
> > >     </td>
> > >     <td>
> > >       <div align="center">data</div>
> > >     </td>
> > >     <td>
> > >       <div align="center">data</div>
> > >     </td>
> > >     <td>
> > >       <div align="center">data</div>
> > >     </td>
> > >     <td>
> > >       <div align="center">data</div>
> > >     </td>
> > >     <td>
> > >       <div align="center">data</div>
> > >     </td>
> > >     <td>
> > >       <div align="center">data</div>
> > >     </td>
> > >     <td>
> > >       <div align="center">data</div>
> > >     </td>
> > >     <td>
> > >       <div align="center">data</div>
> > >     </td>
> > >     <td>
> > >       <div align="center">data</div>
> > >     </td>
> > >   </tr>
> > >   <tr>
> > >     <td>
> > >       <div align="center">data</div>
> > >     </td>
> > >     <td>
> > >       <div align="center">data</div>
> > >     </td>
> > >     <td>
> > >       <div align="center">data</div>
> > >     </td>
> > >     <td>
> > >       <div align="center">subject 2</div>
> > >     </td>
> > >     <td>
> > >       <div align="center">data</div>
> > >     </td>
> > >     <td>
> > >       <div align="center">data</div>
> > >     </td>
> > >     <td>
> > >       <div align="center">data</div>
> > >     </td>
> > >     <td>
> > >       <div align="center">data</div>
> > >     </td>
> > >     <td>
> > >       <div align="center">data</div>
> > >     </td>
> > >     <td>
> > >       <div align="center">data</div>
> > >     </td>
> > >     <td>
> > >       <div align="center">data</div>
> > >     </td>
> > >     <td>
> > >       <div align="center">data</div>
> > >     </td>
> > >     <td>
> > >       <div align="center">data</div>
> > >     </td>
> > >   </tr>
> > > </table>
> > > </body>
> > > </html>
> > > 
> > > As usual there seem to be several different ways of doing 
> > things and I'm
> > > a
> > > bit confused by getting scope to cover more than one 
> > column. Also should
> > > I
> > > be using thead or header ids?
> > > 
> > > Any input would be greatly appreciated
> > > 
> > > tia
> > > Julian
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Julian Scarlett
> > > Web Design & Document Management System Officer
> > > PPU
> > > Education Directorate
> > > Sheffield City Council
> > > 0114 2735721
> > > mob 07904914976
> > > julian.scarlett@sheffield.gov.uk
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