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RE: OT (slightly): Salt Lake '02 Webmaster: Inaccessible site

From: Harry Woodrow <harrry@email.com>
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 18:17:19 +0800
To: "Kynn Bartlett" <kynn-edapta@idyllmtn.com>, "Debi Orton" <oradnio@albany.net>
Cc: <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
Raising of issues: The WAI IG's on-going discussion of technical and
implementation issues related to Web accessibility helps drive the agendas
of other WAI groups. In addition, WAI working groups occasionally escalate
discussion on key questions to WAI IG for additional comment and reflection
as needed
This is from the charter of the WAI.

I think the state of a major public site is an issue related to Web
Accessibilit and may claim to belong in this group.

Personal abuse of a web designer does not however in this case a Web
Designer has apparently replied presumably on behalf of his organisation
that accessibility was not an important issue
>What can I say, I really think the majority of our users are very
>satisfied. We recently identified many opportunities to make the site more
>accessible, but to be honest, a lot of the improvements in web technology
>in the last 10 years are due to things that seem to not conform with W3C
>accessibility guidelines.

My view is that the discussion of major sites as examples of inaccessibility
issues is valid.  The Olympic Games Committee sets the standard they
require...If their decisions make it inaccessible they must bear the

Accessibility is not something to be given to us if and when a site owner
decides it is worth throwing a few crumbs our way.

Harry Woodrow

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Behalf Of Kynn Bartlett
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 1:19 PM
To: Debi Orton
Cc: w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
Subject: Re: OT (slightly): Salt Lake '02 Webmaster: Inaccessible site

This all still really bothers me.  I dislike the use of the WAI lists
in this manner -- finding and identifying and shaming creators of bad
sites in public -- because I think it weakens our case if we become a
virtual lynch mob rather than a useful educational resource.  We can
get more done if we help and teach rather than if we attack and

I don't disagree that this person could use some accessibility
training, but I don't think it's good for anyone to have their flaws
as a web designer publicly "exposed" or debated in a forum such as
this, unless they specifically request a critique or assistance.  It
only makes _us_ look bad, and makes _them_ less likely to listen to


Kynn Bartlett <kynn@reef.com>
Technical Developer Liaison
Reef North America
Accessibility - W3C - Integrator Network
Received on Tuesday, 30 October 2001 05:17:52 UTC

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