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RE: title for empty frames

From: Jim Thatcher <jim@jimthatcher.com>
Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 20:28:43 -0600
To: Al Gilman <asgilman@iamdigex.net>, Rebecca Cox <rebecca@cwa.co.nz>, w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
Message-id: <NDBBKJDAKKEJDCICIODLKEFPDJAA.jim@jimthatcher.com>
Thanks Al,
Ooops, I should not have put Empty "Frame." Then it comes up in lists as
Frame Empty Frame!  It was a slip.

Rebecca, I think it is a good idea to give expanded information in the title
attribute. I assume you know the name attribute cannot contain spaces,
whereas the title can.

Accessibility Consulting

-----Original Message-----
From: w3c-wai-ig-request@w3.org [mailto:w3c-wai-ig-request@w3.org]On
Behalf Of Al Gilman
Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2001 8:02 PM
To: Rebecca Cox; w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
Subject: RE: title for empty frames

At 08:18 PM 2001-10-28 , Rebecca Cox wrote:
>Thanks. One more question:
>Does it matter if the name and title attribute are different?  The
>names in the code are not very informative and I would like to put in
>title attribs that will explain things a bit more.

Rebecca: It's OK if they are different, but it's not OK if either one is
obscure and uninformative.  As Jim said, the 'name' attribute is often what
AT uses.  Can you fix the names to be more appropriate to the contents of
frames?  This is more work, you have to track down everywhere the names
as _target of a link.

Jim:  Why did you put 'Frame' in name='EmptyFrame'?  What do you consider
pros and cons of name="EmptyFrame" vs. name="Empty"?


>At 6:54 PM -0600 10/28/01, Jim Thatcher wrote:
>>On all frames I would use both title and name attribute. Also titles on
>>frame pages. This is because currently a preponderance of assistive
>>technology is either using name or title on pages and NOT using the title
>>That said, even an empty frame will appear in frame lists, so put the
>>informative name="EmptyFrame" title="Empty Frame" for that one.
>>Accessibility Consulting
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: w3c-wai-ig-request@w3.org
>>Behalf Of Rebecca Cox
>>Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2001 3:57 PM
>>To: w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
>>Subject: title for empty frames
>>I'm fixing up frame title tags on an existing page. There seems to be
>>at least one frame in the page which is empty - sort of like a spacer
>>image. (I didn't make the page, I'm just trying to fix it up a bit,
>>so no rude comments please!)
>>Would it be best to treat this like a spacer image and give it
>><frame src="nocontent.html" title="">
>>??   Suggestions would be most welcome.
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