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RE: Skipping Links

From: Kelly Ford <kelly@kellford.com>
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 13:34:14 -0500 (EST)
To: <jim@jimthatcher.com>
cc: Kynn Bartlett <kynn@reef.com>, <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0102161328110.21010-100000@ns.shellworld.net>
Jim and All,

There is a setting in JAWS that will probably ehlp with this situation.
JAWS allows the user to choose between hearing the alt tag or title and
the screen text.  This can be set in the configuration for Internet
Explorer or on the fly with insert-v and choosing text links verbosity.

I'd test it on the link in question here but for some reason I'm getting
errors when I try to bring it up.

Kelly




On Fri, 16 Feb 2001, Jim Thatcher wrote:

> Kynn,
>
> IBM Home Page Reader picks up the link (of course) "Accessible Web Design
> Course" but doesn't read the title of that link.
>
> Since that link skips the navigation I think there is no question that it
> satisfies the Skip Navigation standard for 508 - a method is provided. How
> does anyone know that that is what the link does?
>
> I know some say "titles" on links are useful (IE displays them as pop-up
> text) but I am "shocked" to find that JFW reads the title and not the link
> text. By the way, JFW 3.7 does not read a skip navigating link assigned to a
> small image (as on CNN and IBM and ...); a situation that is going to be
> corrected by Freedom Scientific with a patch shortly.
>
> Window Eyes, Like HPR reads the link text - as I think it should. I believe
> it is mistake to rely on the title to carry crucial information. The ONLY
> way this can be useful is for title text to always be read, and though it
> seems JFW is doing that, I wouldn't recommend it to IBM for HPR. How can we
> tell web developers to write in the title where the link really goes? What
> should the link text say? Why not use "course content" as the link text in
> your case? In fact, why note use "skip navigation?" I know the answer to
> that!
>
> Jim
> jim@jimthatcher.com
> Accessibility Consulting
> http://jimthatcher.com
> 512-306-0931
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: w3c-wai-ig-request@w3.org [mailto:w3c-wai-ig-request@w3.org]On
> Behalf Of Kynn Bartlett
> Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 11:32 AM
> To: Marti; Patrick Burke; ADAM GUASCH-MELENDEZ; w3c-wai-ig@w3.org; David
> Poehlman
> Subject: Re: Skipping Links
>
>
> Thanks, Marti!
>
> At 09:38 AM 2/16/2001, Marti wrote:
> >With JFW 3.5 I was not able to identify the "this page" link, it could be
> my
> >settings but the 'title' part about skip navigation was not read and it
> >wasn't clear that Accessible Web Design as a link would give you a 'skip
> >navigation' action.
> >Using pwWebspeak the skip navigation title was clear and worked well.
>
> Hmm, okay, we have one positive data point (from software which, sadly,
> is discontinued) and one negative data point.  If anyone is using any
> other assistive tech, let me know -- can someone with JAWS 3.7 test it,
> or IBM's Home Page Reader?
>
> Although, with that negative point for JFW 3.5, it's looking like I'll
> have a trip back to the drawing board soon...
>
> --Kynn
>
> PS:  This would all be easy to do if I'd just convince myself that
>       Idyll Mountain can afford to license Reef's edapta technology,
>       but unfortunately we're not -that- rich yet. ;)
>
>
> --
> Kynn Bartlett <kynn@reef.com>
> Technical Developer Liaison
> Customer Management/Edapta
> Reef North America
> Tel +1 949-567-7006
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