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Re: 10.4 Re: Checkpoints 10.4 and 10.5

From: Charles McCathieNevile <charles@w3.org>
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 11:46:48 -0400 (EDT)
To: Steven McCaffrey <SMCCAFFR@MAIL.NYSED.GOV>
cc: <poehlman1@home.com>, <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>, <graham_oliver@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0105311144540.29668-100000@tux.w3.org>
OK. So what we get from this is that if form controls are labelled, there
isn't much need for text inside them, if you are using JFW 3.31. This is kind
of cool, because the labelling is already a higher priority checkpoint.

All we need to do is get the same information over a wider range of systems,
and we'll be getting somewhere.

Thanks for the code snippet, too.

cheers

Charles

On Thu, 31 May 2001, Steven McCaffrey wrote:

  Hello Charles:

       Good question.  I don't want to generalize, so let me just give an example that does work.  The example in section 11.2 of the
  HTML Techniques for Web Content Accessibility Guidelines 1.0 works fine.  I hear
  "First name colon edit"
  then I hit tab and hear:
  "Last name colon edit"
  which is fine.
  The snipet for the first name is:

     <LABEL for="firstname">First name: </LABEL>
     <INPUT type="text" id="firstname" tabindex="1">

  Note my comments above are not about grouping form controls which is the main point of 11.2.  I am just commenting on the label element.


  Steve


  >>> Charles McCathieNevile <charles@w3.org> 05/31/01 09:50AM >>>
  If they have labels (using the label element) does this improve things?

  Charles McCN

  On Thu, 31 May 2001, Steven McCaffrey wrote:

    Hi Charles:


         I'm using JFW 3.31.  I will just hear "edit".

    Steve

    >>> Charles McCathieNevile <charles@w3.org> 05/31/01 08:43AM >>>
    Thanks Steven, Dave.

    Can you please explain what software you're using, and what happens?

    cheers

    Chaals

    On Thu, 31 May 2001, Steven McCaffrey wrote:
      Hello:
           I agree with David in that it is still an issue.  The consequence is
      that I will hear only "Edit" but will not know what type of information is requested.

      Steve McCaffrey
      Information Technology Services
      NYSED
      >>> "David Poehlman" <poehlman1@home.com> 05/31/01 07:49AM >>>
      it is still an issue although many have solved it.  even though you have
      to rub the text out, it is best to have something telling you where to
      write because some renderings still confuse labels with edit boxes.

      ----- Original Message -----
    ...

      the rationale for this one was that there were assistive technology and
      browser combinations that would skip over empty form controls. I am not
      certain, but I believe that this is no longer an issue. I will ask the
      Web Content Accessibility Guidelines group to address this question as
      fast as possible.





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