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PGP MIME Email [was: Re: inaccessible site due to css [was: Re: Politics: Strict Guidelines Considered Harmful]]

From: Chris Croome <chris@webarchitects.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 18:23:09 +0000
To: w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
Message-ID: <20001219182309.A9116@webarchitects.co.uk>

Two Outlook using members of the list have emailed me saying that they
can't read my messages.

I have never seen Outlook but from what has been reported to me I
understand that it has been designed in a way that forces users to open
PGP MIME email in Notepad rather then allowing users to view it

I have had reports from some Outlook users that multi-part PGP MIME
email is OK -- so this email has an extra attachment which should enable
Outlook users to read this, and my last message -- see below.

I'm not sure what to do in the future, I'm reluctant to stop PGP signing
all me email because if it's not all signed what's the point of signing


On Tue 19-Dec-2000 at 04:48:59 +0000, Chris Croome wrote:
> Hi
> On Tue 19-Dec-2000 at 08:44:43 -0500, Bailey, Bruce wrote:
> > (2)  Most of use have seen sites that were inaccessible because of the use
> > of <font> and the like.  Can you cite one real-world reference where valid
> > CSS was used but the results decreased accessibility?
> I'm sorry to say that I can :-(
> The AltaVista help pages:
> http://doc.altavista.com/adv_search/ast_haw_index.html
> Valid CSS:
> http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator?uri=http://doc.altavista.com/adv_search/ast_haw_index.html&warning=2
> In Netscape 4 in Linux the use of point sizes for the main body of the
> text and the links in the margin makes it totally unreadable (I know
> this is not WAI compliant!).
> When CSS is turned off the main body is readable but the links in the
> margin are not (blue on blue) since the table cells colours are set
> using bgcolor and the links are made white using css. Netscape 3 will
> have this problem as well. 
> If they had used <font color="#FFFFFF"> in the left margin then these
> pages would be even more of an example of CSS making things worse.
> The problem is basically caused by Netscape4 (and especially NN in
> Linux) being totally crap, but I do think it's a case of CSS making a
> site less accessible. 
> I came to the conclusion a while ago that the only sensible thing to do
> with text sizes is not to set them _at all_, not using font tags, not
> using css -- use structural mark-up and leave all the sizes to the user
> agent (apart from print media css where I do use point sizes). 
> Chris

Chris Croome <chris@webarchitects.co.uk>
work: http://www.webarchitects.co.uk/
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Received on Tuesday, 19 December 2000 13:22:58 UTC

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