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Re: Frames redux

From: Gregory J. Rosmaita <unagi69@concentric.net>
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 15:45:14 -0500
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To: Melinda Morris-Black <melinda@ink.org>
Cc: WAI Interest Group Emailing List <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
aloha, again, melinda!

i should have stressed in my earlier response to your request for an 
example of what a FRAMESET sounds like when accessed using a screen reader, 
that the options that i describe are not only specific to a specific 
version of a specific screen reader (JFW 3.5), but are also specific to a 
certain browser,.MSIE 4.x or 5.x

i should have also noted that the latest releases of Window-Eyes, which is 
manufactured by GW-Micro (http://www.gwmicro.com), also handles FRAMESETS 
rather well, at least according to the hardcore W-E users in the visually 
impaired computer users' group for which i serve as webmaster and minister 
of propaganda...  i don't use W-E regularly enough to comment upon how it 
handles FRAMESETS, but perhaps someone else on this list can provide you 
with more detailed information concerning how W-E exposes frames to the user...

i should also have included a pointer to a more detailed description of 
JFW's HTML Options and default actions -- from which the main part of my 
previous emessage was excerpted -- which can be found in the User Agent 
Working Group's mail archives, at:


At 12:04 PM 2/16/00 -0600, you wrote:
>Concerning the topic of frames, I should have been more clear. What I really
>need to know about are users "experiences" when encountering frames in a
>The exact question I was asked by our web developer was "Does it read the 
>frame in the frameset, then the rest in succession or what?", the it being
>I've used Home Page Reader to go through sites, but wasn't sure if other
>assistive technologies read frames pages in the same fashion. Is that indeed
>the case? It is my understanding that most visually impaired individuals use
>system applications, like Jaws. All you assistive technology users (not just
>the visually impaired), please share your experiences! I want to give a
>designer an informed idea of what comes out on your end. Thanks in advance.
>Information Architect
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Gregory J. Rosmaita <unagi69@concentric.net>
    WebMaster and Minister of Propaganda, VICUG NYC
Received on Wednesday, 16 February 2000 15:36:00 UTC

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