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Re: Request for site review

From: Marjolein Katsma <access@javawoman.com>
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 16:39:51 +0200
Message-Id: <4.3.2.20000414163440.03e70c30@pop.javawoman.com>
To: David Poehlman <poehlman@clark.net>
Cc: Charles McCathieNevile <charles@w3.org>, Web Accessibility Initiative <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
David,

At 10:17 2000-04-14 -0400, David Poehlman wrote:
>I like the jingle idea but it won't work for many text browsers but you are
>correct.  the jingle would be the exact representation that is strived for
>but you need to be careful that it doesn't play over and over again.  can
>you put something in alt="" other than text?

Alas, no. But I've been thinking (I do that sometimes):

Now, if browsers really started to support the OBJECT tag, there would be a way, since it's designed to *contain* alternatives. You could have an outer object with the image, contained in that an object with the sound, and contained in that alternative text (for instance.

Turn off images, and you'd hear the sound - unless you've also turned off sound (or you've told the browser you can't hear it, or you don't have a sound card) in which case you'd see (or hear) the text.

HTML provides a way, I think. Now if only browsers would support standards.
I'll dream on for a while ...


>Marjolein Katsma wrote:
> > 
> > Charles,
> > 
> > At 09:03 2000-04-14 -0400, Charles McCathieNevile wrote:
> > >What I do...
> > >
> > >The logo is an identifier for the site - it is basically a graphic that can
> > >be remembered.
> > 
> > I've been thinking: a better *alternative* for that might actually be a sound. Say an easy to recognize jingle, that tells you you've arrive at the Fuzzybuz site (or whereever).
> > 
> > Does alternative content always have to be alternative *text*? Or can we have several alternatives, ratehr than just one?
> > 
> > >In text, as an alt, I use the name of the thing being identified - for
> > >example W3C. In the title of the image I explain that it is a logo (human
> > >redable text about the role of the image in the page)
> > >
> > >For example:
> > >
> > >   <img src="w3c_home" alt="World Wide Web Consortium" title="W3C Logo" />
> > >
> > >(As Marjolein points out, this is different from text intended to be read.)
> > >
> > >cheers
> > >
> > >Charles McCN
> > >
> > >On Fri, 14 Apr 2000, Marjolein Katsma wrote:
> > >
> > >   David,
> > >
> > >   At 07:55 2000-04-14 -0400, David Poehlman wrote:
> > >   >The word logo in an alt tag belies the function of alt.
> > >   >
> > >   >alt is to present an alternative equivalent to, not the function of the
> > >   >image.
> > >
> > >   OK, maybe I'm dumb.
> > >cmn: I doubt it...
> > 
> > <grin>
> > 
> > >mk
> > >   I just don't see a better alternative to the W3C logo than "W3C logo".
> > >
> > >   Can you make up a better ALT attribute that still conveys the fact that
> > >   it *is* a logo, and not "text to be read"?
> > >
> > 
> > Marjolein Katsma
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