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Re: Guidelines vs Standards (was Checkpoint 3.3)

From: David Poehlman <poehlman@clark.net>
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 12:51:27 -0400
Message-ID: <3795FA8F.FBA5AFB2@clark.net>
To: Wayne Crotts <wcrotts@arches.uga.edu>
CC: WAI Interest Group <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
Wayne has a good point here that should not be overlooked.  the end is
what we are after.  if we could describe the end instead of or in
addition to the means or method with emphasis on the end, it would
much clearer and a better thumb upon which to rule standards.

Wayne Crotts wrote:
> 
> >However, the argument that detracting from the presentation of a page in
> >older browsers is more important than removing significant barriers to
> users
> >with disabilities being able to read the page would need to be presented,
> as
> >it has not yet.
> 
> Yet the whole contention and debate about Checkpoint 3.3 is that it is NOT a
> situation where accessibility is being compromised for the sake of older
> browsers.  Instead, the scenarios presented are accessible pages that older
> browsers can read as well, yet the Guidelines condemn as non-compliant.
> 
> I am nervous about checkpoint 3.3 and a couple of other points, because the
> wording seems to mandate the use of certain methods instead of outcome.
> What makes me even more nervous, is when folks counter with 'well, you have
> to apply common sense to them [the Guidelines].'
> 
> Forgive me for being bold, but I find common sense lacking in many instances
> especially in the government workplace.  I think what is being argued for,
> is guidelines that give the IT professional the ability to make their web
> site accessible  yet save them from unnecessary, arbitrary protocols.
> 
> Wayne
> 
> Wayne Crotts
> Network & Information Services
> Institute on Human Development and Disability
>      A University Affiliated Program
> College of Family & Consumer Sciences
> University of Georgia  30602
> 
> (706) 542-4968
> (706) 542-4815 (fax)
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Charles McCathieNevile <charles@w3.org>
> To: <webmaster@dors.sailorsite.net>
> Cc: <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 1999 6:27 PM
> Subject: RE: Guidelines vs Standards (was Checkpoint 3.3)
> 
> The process which exists for requesting changes in the guidelines is to
> write
> to the working group at w3c-wai-gl@w3.org which is a list archived at
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl

Wayne Crotts wrote:
> 
> >However, the argument that detracting from the presentation of a page in
> >older browsers is more important than removing significant barriers to
> users
> >with disabilities being able to read the page would need to be presented,
> as
> >it has not yet.
> 
> Yet the whole contention and debate about Checkpoint 3.3 is that it is NOT a
> situation where accessibility is being compromised for the sake of older
> browsers.  Instead, the scenarios presented are accessible pages that older
> browsers can read as well, yet the Guidelines condemn as non-compliant.
> 
> I am nervous about checkpoint 3.3 and a couple of other points, because the
> wording seems to mandate the use of certain methods instead of outcome.
> What makes me even more nervous, is when folks counter with 'well, you have
> to apply common sense to them [the Guidelines].'
> 
> Forgive me for being bold, but I find common sense lacking in many instances
> especially in the government workplace.  I think what is being argued for,
> is guidelines that give the IT professional the ability to make their web
> site accessible  yet save them from unnecessary, arbitrary protocols.
> 
> Wayne
> 
> Wayne Crotts
> Network & Information Services
> Institute on Human Development and Disability
>      A University Affiliated Program
> College of Family & Consumer Sciences
> University of Georgia  30602
> 
> (706) 542-4968
> (706) 542-4815 (fax)
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Charles McCathieNevile <charles@w3.org>
> To: <webmaster@dors.sailorsite.net>
> Cc: <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 1999 6:27 PM
> Subject: RE: Guidelines vs Standards (was Checkpoint 3.3)
> 
> The process which exists for requesting changes in the guidelines is to
> write
> to the working group at w3c-wai-gl@w3.org which is a list archived at
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl

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