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Re: Fw: Checkpoint 3.3

From: David Poehlman <poehlman@clark.net>
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 10:03:44 -0400
Message-ID: <37908D40.F2C3907F@clark.net>
To: Robert Neff <robneff@home.com>
CC: IG <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>, w3c-wai-eo@w3.org, Web Content Accessibility Guidelines <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
we must look at the total picture here.  the guidelines and
checkpoints serve as guides.  some intellegence must be applied in
order to solve problems of ambeguity or seeming conflict in the
guidelines and yes, some need to be stated differently.  does the
curriculum help here?  Context is very very important here.  Don't
take one guideline or one checkpoint and try to generalize the bejesus
out of it.

Robert Neff wrote:
> 
> I do not doubt the CSS's usability.  I question why I am being forced to use
> CSS to obtain a Double A conformance level.  I can make a web page that is
> accessible using HTML 3.2 and 4.  Before the recommendation, I had done that
> at Department of Labor before CSS was widely used, see
> http://www.dol.gov/dol/esa/public/programs/dbra/index.html.  I had designed
> a layout without tables for formatting and in HTML 4 Transitional.  This was
> the closest thing to adopting over 90% of the checkpoints.  BUT I used HTML
> not  CSS.  If I were still there, I would be livid about Checkpoint 3.3.
> Now all of a sudden I have to switch because another language is wanted.
> CSS has design guidelines and so does HTML and both must be properly
> applied.
> 
> I cannot support a recommendation that disallows other methodologies that
> can be made accessible.
> 
> By the way, how does Checkpoint 3.3 apply when I want to make a HTML page
> that is text only and use HTML 3.2 with no deprecated items and follow the
> rest of the guidelines except Checkpoint 3.3? For example, except for
> Checkpoint 3.3, I am Triple A.  This is like telling me I MUST purchase a
> new car when an used one will do!
> 
> This is a note to Jamie (Are you monitoring?): Now that you are running the
> Davis-Bacon site, if it wasn't for checkpoint 3.3, how close are you to
> Triple A conformance?
> 
> Basically, my position is the Web Content Accessibility Guidelines (WCAG)
> should change Checkpoint 3.3 to say, "Use CSS where possible."  If you have
> not read the WCAG yet, then wake-up and realize that you will be required to
> use CSS to obtain a Double A conformance rating.  If you are associated with
> the United States Government then expect the Federal Government to adopt the
> WCAG next year.  Does anyone have any comments on this?  Your opinions do
> matter.
> 
> Are there any other government efforts or other efforts to adopt Double A?
> 
> rob

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