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Re: webwatch-l New Web Standards Advocacy Project

From: David Poehlman <poehlman@clark.net>
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 07:13:47 -0400 (EDT)
To: Kynn Bartlett <kynn-hwg@idyllmtn.com>
cc: Ann Navarro <ann@webgeek.com>, Chris Maden <crism@oreilly.com>, w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.02.9808100712550.19417-100000@shell.clark.net>
there are two quite good formations out there already and one links to the
other.
start with:
http://www.anybrowser.org/campaign


On Sun, 9 Aug 1998, Kynn Bartlett wrote:

KBAt 07:31 p.m. 08/09/98 -0700, Ann Navarro wrote:
KB>Part of the message that WSP is trying to get across, is that the demands
KB>of design sometimes require implementations that don't validate: in part,
KB>because of inconsistent support of the standards in the major browsers.
KB>IOW, to make a design present consistently, what otherwise might be seen as
KB>"bad habits" and "invalid HTML" may need to be used. 
KB
KBOkay, so the WSP suggests that web authors ignore the published
KBvendor-neutral standards, and instead use specifics hacks just
KBto get around problems in implementation?
KB
KB(I used a pseudo-hack on www.hwg.org's stylesheets, because Netscape's
KBsupport for CSS is ... less than robust.  However, there's nothing
KBinvalid about it, it simply is designed to degrade gracefully.)
KB
KB>WSP is not about "validation before anything else." It is about educating
KB>those responsible for producing user agents that the divergence in support
KB>for the standards results in developers jumping through hoops that cost the
KB>entire web community a significant investment of time and money. If all
KB>browsers fully supported the standards, there'd be more to the fact that
KB>some of these sites don't validate. 
KB
KBIsn't it rather condescending to assume that browser authors
KB-- mainly you're talking about Netscape and Microsoft, right?
KBwith a little attention to Lynx, Opera, and whatever else? --
KBneed to be "educated"?  Is a whole organization necessary to reach
KBthese people, and what exactly is WSP planning to do to make this
KBhappen?
KB
KBI know, I know, it'll be on the website tomorrow.  Hopefully I'll
KBfind something that makes me think this isn't just another case
KBof "form an official sounding organization because it makes us
KBlook more impressive, despite not having any way to accomplish the
KBgoals we've for ourselves."
KB
KB--Kynn, plugging away at being a liability
KB
KB--
KBKynn Bartlett <kynn@hwg.org>
KBVice President, Marketing and Outreach, HTML Writers Guild
KB  http://www.hwg.org
KB
Received on Monday, 10 August 1998 07:13:24 GMT

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