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RE: Seamless Accessibility (was Re: your mail)

From: David Poehlman <poehlman@clark.net>
Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 13:18:56 -0400 (EDT)
To: "Waddell, Cynthia" <cynthia.waddell@ci.sj.ca.us>
cc: LBehrens <LBehrens@worldnet.att.net>, w3c-wai-ig@w3.org, "'Liam Quinn'" <liam@htmlhelp.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980523131828.13963A-100000@shell.clark.net>
Shame on you! That's reverse inaccessability. <g>


On Fri, 22 May 1998, Waddell, Cynthia wrote:

> Regarding  D-links- 
> What about making them the same color of the background?  The screenreader
> will still see it.
> 
> Cynthia D. Waddell
> ADA Coordinator
> City of San Jose, CA USA
> 
> > ----------
> > From: 	Liam Quinn
> > Sent: 	Friday, May 22, 1998 3:58 AM
> > To: 	LBehrens; w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
> > Subject: 	Re: Seamless Accessibility (was Re: your mail)
> > 
> > At 04:11 AM 22/05/98 -0700, LBehrens wrote:
> > >Liam Quinn wrote:
> > >> 
> > >> ... D-links are obtrusive because they tell the non-visual user 
> > >> that he or she is viewing a visual page ... they should only be 
> > >> rendered when the user requests more information on how the page 
> > >> looks visually (as with the "*" key command in Lynx).
> > >> 
> > >
> > >Larry Behrens requests:
> > >
> > >Many of us are admittedly new to both the list and the finer points of 
> > >accessibiility.  Could you somehow rephrase the above (for those of us 
> > >who are logically impaired <G>). I thought the purpose of the D-link 
> > >IS so that those who want a verbal description can get one. (?)
> > 
> > LQ::  The D-link is a constant reminder to the non-visual user that she is
> > viewing a visual page.  A page that provides seamless accessibility makes
> > the non-visual user (and every other user) feel that the page is made
> > specifically for her, specifically for her browsing environment.  If you
> > were writing a page specifically for a non-visual browsing environment,
> > you
> > would not include an image, so the seamlessly accessible page should
> > appear
> > to be imageless when viewed by a non-visual user.
> > 
> > LB::
> > >Are you opining that the D-links themselves should only appear on
> > >request, rather than being a constant reminder that *there's more*?
> > 
> > LQ::  Yes.
> > 
> > LB::
> > >If so (and I can agree with that concept), do you have a suggestion on 
> > >how that might best be done on a page?
> > 
> > LQ::  An author would use the LONGDESC attribute of IMG rather than an
> > explicit D-link.  With OBJECTs, the author has no method to give a long
> > description since there is no LONGDESC attribute on OBJECT; perhaps a
> > future version of HTML will fix this.
> > 
> > User agents should, by default, hide long descriptions unless requested to
> > show them (either all the time or for the current page).  In Lynx, the "*"
> > command key should add a "[D]" or "[Desc.]" link right after the "[IMAGE]"
> > (which could probably be replaced by the IMG's TITLE in brackets).  A
> > graphical browser could do something similar, with the IMG's TITLE linked
> > to the long description and displayed in brackets (or perhaps an inset
> > frame) just after the ALT text.
> > 
> > -- 
> > Liam Quinn
> > Web Design Group            Enhanced Designs, Web Site Development
> > http://www.htmlhelp.com/    http://enhanced-designs.com/
> > 
> 

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