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RE: HTML produced by non-experts

From: David Poehlman <poehlman@clark.net>
Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 11:18:42 -0400 (EDT)
To: Robert Neff <rcn@fenix2.dol-esa.gov>
cc: "'WAI'" <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>, "'Jamie Fox'" <jfox@fenix2.dol-esa.gov>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980518111652.15118D-100000@shell.clark.net>
the issue I was addressing here was one of parellell roads.  the premis is
that it is necessary to know at least the basics of html in order to
produce clean pages and the same with braille no matter what the tool
used.  By the way, I found that it isn't necessarily important to have a
doctype declaration on your pages so perhaps that quibble can be
eliminated from the current thread.


On Mon, 18 May 1998, Robert Neff wrote:

> Dan, do you use braille readers or have access to them?  Can you provide a 
> reference for a manufacturer?  Do you know how much they are and who makes 
> them?
> 
> Obviously we do not have a braille reader and have tested all that we can 
> on lynx and pwWebSpeak.  We are required to be compliant, but we lack all 
> the tools to test.
> We would like persons with disabilities to take a look at our web site and 
> provide input -- we welcome cyber dogs to sniff our site and provide 
> comments!  Our objective is to actually be compliant and respected versus 
> just saying we are...if that makes sense!  We work at Department of Labor 
> and our site is:
> www.dol.gov/dol/esa/public/programs/dbra
> 
> We have a header on every page and while this is great for the visual 
> browsers (Netscape, IE, etc) we have found it to be annoying in voice 
> browsers.  Any comments?  Also made the buttons bigger to assist those with 
> low vision.
> 
> How does "www.dol.gov" read on the braille reader? They use tables with a 
> vertical nav bar on the left side.  I was going to do this, but switched to 
> the horizontal, because blind readers have problems reading tables.
> 
> rob
> 202.208.7270
> 
> ----------
> From: 	David Poehlman
> Sent: 	Sunday, May 17, 1998 8:27 AM
> To: 	Charles McCathieNevile
> Cc: 	WAI
> Subject: 	Re: HTML produced by non-experts
> 
> I'd add an example here.  I taught people how to propperly mark up a
> wordperfect document for producing propperly formatted grade ii braille
> without knowing much if anything about braille, but found that the best
> output was done by those who had taken some initiative and learned more
> about braille.  I taught some braille basics and provided additional
> material, but that was the result.
> 
> 
> On Sun, 17 May 1998, Charles McCathieNevile wrote:
> 
> > The discussion has been prompted because 'someone's secretaries need to
> > produce HTML, but don't know how to write HTML'.
> >
> > The simple answer is:
> > Provide them with proper training, so they do know how to produce HTML.
> > Most people can learn to produce basic HTML, and to understand why that
> > is preferable for so many cases, in a few days. That is the bottom line
> > cost - you cannot make strawberry jam from cow's manure, you have to buy
> > strawberries.
> >
> > Charles McCathieNevile
> >
> 
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