RE: Bug: Firefox Accessibility Inspector reports placeholder attribute as eligible for accessible name

Sometimes what seems like a garden path is purposeful journey.

A couple of right turns and we're back to the original question.  To answer the question "Does this input pass the 'Label in Name' SC", you've got to know whether or not you've got a name.  I think that was the original gist of Glenda's question.   

But to answer this question in full,  you've also got to know whether or not you've got a label.  My thought is that with placeholder text alone, you don't have a proper label.  In my understand of the definition of label, proper labels don't disappear from the visual interface when you interact with the corresponding input.

So, the question is "Does a paragraph of instruction count as a label, with regard to the 'Label in Name' SC?"

Brooks


-----Original Message-----
From: Newton, Brooks (Legal) [mailto:Brooks.Newton@thomsonreuters.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2018 3:37 PM
To: Patrick H. Lauke <redux@splintered.co.uk>; Jonathan Avila <jon.avila@levelaccess.com>; w3c-wai-gl@w3.org
Subject: RE: Bug: Firefox Accessibility Inspector reports placeholder attribute as eligible for accessible name

Patrick,

I don't think any of this is obvious.  And no one disputed what I said, because I hadn't asked it yet.

Brooks

-----Original Message-----
From: Patrick H. Lauke [mailto:redux@splintered.co.uk] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2018 3:31 PM
To: Newton, Brooks (Legal) <Brooks.Newton@thomsonreuters.com>; Jonathan Avila <jon.avila@levelaccess.com>; w3c-wai-gl@w3.org
Subject: Re: Bug: Firefox Accessibility Inspector reports placeholder attribute as eligible for accessible name



On 08/08/2018 20:54, Newton, Brooks (Legal) wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> To add to Jonathan just wrote, even though placeholder text will work 
> as a last resort in the accessible name calculation, you would still 
> need to provide some other type of backup visual affordance to serve 
> audiences who do not have the benefit of assistive technology [...]

Of course you would, and nobody was disputing that. But that's orthogonal to the original question.

P
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